A step too far??
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Urk
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I think he has an excelent point actually. Although I'm not entirely sure why he chose to eat a fox to illustrate it.
It is so easy to forget about the important things. I'm not saying that banning fox hunting isn't important.... actually I guess I am in the scheme of things, but what about all those city slickers that seem to care about something they don't understand, and that will never actually effect their lifes?
How many foxes have they actually met ?
Wouldn't their enegy be far better spent, indeed would't their quality of life be so much better, if that energy was channelled into, as the artist says caring for one-another.
The analogy was getting there, but will win him no favors.... I think I would have rephrased :
Now, as to WHY the nation gets all het up about silly, trivial things, when their is a war on, when our ambasadors abroad are killing people, or when the govenment is under huge scrutiny about various underhand dealings with extreemist X-tians.....
Distraction ( Biscuit ), anyone ?
It is so easy to forget about the important things. I'm not saying that banning fox hunting isn't important.... actually I guess I am in the scheme of things, but what about all those city slickers that seem to care about something they don't understand, and that will never actually effect their lifes?
How many foxes have they actually met ?
Wouldn't their enegy be far better spent, indeed would't their quality of life be so much better, if that energy was channelled into, as the artist says caring for one-another.
The analogy was getting there, but will win him no favors.... I think I would have rephrased :
Now, as to WHY the nation gets all het up about silly, trivial things, when their is a war on, when our ambasadors abroad are killing people, or when the govenment is under huge scrutiny about various underhand dealings with extreemist X-tians.....
Distraction ( Biscuit ), anyone ?
Meijin
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Urk, you're being irksome....
Technognome
Professor of Ecognomics
Hang on what exactly is his point?
He's talking out of his ar$e!
400,000 people attended the Countryside Alliance march - which supports fox hunting but is supposed to be concerned with other issues.
No large marches have occured against fox hunting recently that I am aware of.
1-2 Million people marched in London to try to stop the war in Iraq!
So people do actually care more about people than killing foxes and hardly anyone cares about foxes. If we go on numbers marching!
So his point was? How can he increase his fame without knowing jack$h!t about the issue.
Artist my ar$e!
PHLUR :sun:
He's talking out of his ar$e!
400,000 people attended the Countryside Alliance march - which supports fox hunting but is supposed to be concerned with other issues.
No large marches have occured against fox hunting recently that I am aware of.
1-2 Million people marched in London to try to stop the war in Iraq!
So people do actually care more about people than killing foxes and hardly anyone cares about foxes. If we go on numbers marching!
So his point was? How can he increase his fame without knowing jack$h!t about the issue.
Artist my ar$e!
PHLUR :sun:
Urk
Total Member
Really? what a surprise !
Which bit didn't you like ?
People should care more for one-another
Or
Why did he eat the fox ?
Or
How does fox hunting effeect the lifes of city folk ?
Or
Fox hunting is an trivial distraction from the really fucking important stuff that is going on in the word today, but the govenment would rather you didn't talk about / scrutinise.... ?
Meijin
Member
Oh for goodness sake, banning foxhunting has been on the agenda for years - pre '97 election pledge innit?
Very smart and radical eating a fox - "Oh! I'm an artist blah, blah..." Did Picasso eat foxes? No, he painted 'Guernica'. Plenty of people can call themselves 'artists', it's a term that's always up for grabs, but his political and philosophical justification doesn't sound convincing and he shows his shallowness by eating a defenceless animal - as I've said before, caring for animals and caring for people are NOT mutually exclusive - in fact, to do both shows a fuller and more rounded ontology to my mind. What's the difference between what he did and what the CA did with the deer in Brighton? None, to my mind - nothing. Anyone can CLAIM to be political but they also need to be able to justify it coherently.
And on the point of distraction, don't see any of us not going to the supermarket or spending time on the forum 'cos there's a war on - do you? Probably the same for government too..
'Fallacy of Misplaced Misanthropy' is what that artist's got a case of and NOT political awareness IMHO
Very smart and radical eating a fox - "Oh! I'm an artist blah, blah..." Did Picasso eat foxes? No, he painted 'Guernica'. Plenty of people can call themselves 'artists', it's a term that's always up for grabs, but his political and philosophical justification doesn't sound convincing and he shows his shallowness by eating a defenceless animal - as I've said before, caring for animals and caring for people are NOT mutually exclusive - in fact, to do both shows a fuller and more rounded ontology to my mind. What's the difference between what he did and what the CA did with the deer in Brighton? None, to my mind - nothing. Anyone can CLAIM to be political but they also need to be able to justify it coherently.
And on the point of distraction, don't see any of us not going to the supermarket or spending time on the forum 'cos there's a war on - do you? Probably the same for government too..
'Fallacy of Misplaced Misanthropy' is what that artist's got a case of and NOT political awareness IMHO
jonny five
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Even in the realm of animal welfare, although I think fox hunting should be banned, it is dwarfed in terms of numbers of animals killed etc. by factory farming, and I think that's also completely unnecessary.
albs
Junior Members
Quote from article "He said the roast fox was tasty, but admitted it nearly made him vomit.
"It was a bit like rack of lamb," he said. "The trouble was the retching noises from the other people in the room.""
Eh??? Who else was in the room. A load of completely drunk people?
To me there is no difference for a meat eater to eat a lamb than a fox. I'm a vegetarian and very little makes me retch. Maybe cannabalism but probably not even that. probably.
This guy is blatantly trying to get cheap publicity for himself from this stunt. Jumping on the bandwagon of a present controversy. W****er
"It was a bit like rack of lamb," he said. "The trouble was the retching noises from the other people in the room.""
Eh??? Who else was in the room. A load of completely drunk people?
To me there is no difference for a meat eater to eat a lamb than a fox. I'm a vegetarian and very little makes me retch. Maybe cannabalism but probably not even that. probably.
This guy is blatantly trying to get cheap publicity for himself from this stunt. Jumping on the bandwagon of a present controversy. W****er
Urk
Total Member
Yes it has, but don't you think it is just a bit strange that we decide to do it 5 years ago, then talk about it now, and when does the law actually come in ? Ages yet, but it was absolutly imperitive, that we discussed it at the time...
I aggree entirely. Ther bloke is obviously a twat. However, I aggree with [some of] his sentiments.
Unfortunatly, I have now tried to illustrate this in the context of a man eating a fox, which as we have all worked out really doesnt stand up to any scrutiny !
( OK, I was playing devils advacardo - but I thought I'd get away with it.)
...... to at least one other person !
All a crackpot needs is an audience of one ( and not always that many ), just as all an "artist" needs is someone to agree that what he or she is doing is creative.
No I don't see that either, probaly because it is not a nation obsession, unlike fox hunting. But if you're going to use that analogy, I don't see a million people marching on Downing street on issues regarding the price of milk or the Psy forum who's most trance poll either.....
Moving on from the war....... coz I mentioned that, not him ( I was trying to paint a picture, you see )
The point was, the " national obsession " for the hunting ban as he called it, seemed ( in his eyes ) to overshadow the fact that people don't seem to care for one-another, and I for one, see where he is coming from.
Now, forget I mentiond the war, art, fox hunting, Psy forum tits, or aything - To break it down :
What I meant was that I beleive that as a whole, we spend too much time worrying about things that don't *really* effect us as much as the tabloid editors would have us believe.
'So hard to get noticed these days, though.... init.
On the point of hunting, no I don't like it either, but it's got fuck all to do with what I like, because I don't really know anything about it, and it doesn't effect my life in the slightest.
FUCK
I spose you could say the same about the average Joe, and the war.....
Urk crawls back under his bridge
the main reason why the fox hunting ban went through was not because of labour's enormous concern for the natural world, but because they had nothing to loose as fox hunters are conservative voters and wouldn't vote labour if you paid them.