so i nearly did a chill out tune, (swampthing) then somehow a doof crept in. strange how that kind of thing can happen. 'pipetrain' is another pacey bouncy one. give 'em a listen, an tell me what you think... http://www.soundclick.com/bands/2/ippikrakmusic.htm also maybe give me an idea on how i should classify them, cos it's always really hard with your own toons. thanks peeps, love to all.