Finding tempo of a recording



Hope someone can help me with this one.

I've just spent all night (usuccessfully) trying to find the tempo of a track off a CD so that I can put it into VST and chop it up a bit.

I want to find the tempo so that I can import it into VST v5 and quantise the kicks to 140ish so that I can add or subtract bits easily. I read the page about making audio follow tempo and creating match points but as this is a finished tune, the kicks dont stand out so well. in addittion, the zoom isn't very good on VST5's audio editor.

Then I also need to make the first kick of the piece start on a bar. I've tried changing the snap resolution and dragging left and right but can't help thinking that there must be an easier way.......Isn't there?

For info, I'm trying to do it in VST5 but have also tried using wavelab 3 and sound forge 4.5 to try and find the tempo of a 2 bar selection.

Any advice greatly received.
Cheers guys
you could try getting a lil program that lets you tap the tempo in :Smile3:

i do believe there is one at analogx
In soundforge seelct the option ' show grids on selection' (in options menu i think?) then select a multiple of 4 beats (the larger the multiple the more accurate your answer). Select from the atack of the first kick to the attack of the last - the beat grid should line up with the kicks inbetween. Then use the length of the selection to calc tempo.

Or load the track into NI Traktor - I think this can do a tempo estimate over the whole tune...
Alternatively, rip the track, drop it onto an audio track, loop the first four bars and alter the tempo until the track is looping correctly (long-winded but it does work).

Oh, and if the snap resolution's not working, just turn it off to match it up correctly, then turn it back on and the line-up will be correct no matter where you drag it.

If any of ya m8's have Pioneer cdj800's\1000's just put it in and read off the tempo, they are always bang on accurate... but don't trust mixer auto tempo counters they are way out...

What track is it??? If I've got it on CD I can post the bpm up here...
Get Recycle 2.
Besides finding the correct tempo down to 3 d.p. you get a simple but life saving bit of software that will not only analyse the tempo for you, but it will automatically chop up all the individual hits of the loop (by adjusting a threshold for the transient sensitivity), and slap a midi file on as well. Then you can import the file with the chopped up audio in a sampler (or drop it straight in the arrangement, if your sequencer supports it) and import the midi file that will play them audio bits sequentially.
Needless to say that you can play back the loop in different tempos, play around with the midi file and create new loops from the existing one...etc.

Peace out.