FM7, Pro-53 as FX

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Been playing around with Komplete this last week and I am having a problem using Pro-53 and FM7 as insert effects. I put them in one of the insert slots and activate the effects section of the synth but no sound is going through the synth. On FM7 I see the input meter moving but there isn't anything coming out.

Anyone know what I need to do?
 

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Actually you've raised an interesting point (for me anyway) I've seen the instruments appear in the FX list but never even tried to use them like that. Does it just route another instrument thru the FX and filter sections of the instruments or is more clever than that?

Sorry to answer with another question (I bet u was all excited then weren't you :Smile3: )
 

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In FM7, are you sure that you have switched on the IN operator, and have patched the operator to the OUT section in the Matrix?

The IN meter still operates wether these are on or not, and to hear stuff they mus t be on.

This is well worth pesevering with. Lots of my sounds are Analog style synths feed through FM7, or Percussive samples can get very, very weird too!
 

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Colin OOOD said:
I think you need to send them MIDI to trigger the envelopes, otherwise the amp doesn't let anything through.

This isn't right in FM7.

The audio always comes through if it is patched that way in the matrix. The synth operates just like normal in effect to MIDI, just that audio operates like an extra Operator/Modulator.

I have no idea how it works in Pro-53
 

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norty303 said:
Sorry to answer with another question (I bet u was all excited then weren't you :Smile3: )

Yeah I was kinda getting moist :Grin:

But to answer your non-answer, I just think it routes the audio through the FX section of said synths.

Colin OOOD said:
I think you need to send them MIDI to trigger the envelopes, otherwise the amp doesn't let anything through.

Sounds reasonable but how do I route midi to a insert effect? Also when I hit a key on the virtual keyboard the synth plays whatever patch is loaded, so I imagine this would happen if midi was routed to it and I don't want that patch sound just the FX.

Speakarfreeka said:
In FM7, are you sure that you have switched on the IN operator, and have patched the operator to the OUT section in the Matrix?

The IN meter still operates wether these are on or not, and to hear stuff they mus t be on.

This is well worth pesevering with. Lots of my sounds are Analog style synths feed through FM7, or Percussive samples can get very, very weird too!

I will try this soon. I remember you mentioning using FM7 as an FX machine in a previous post so I was a little dissapointed not to get it up and running rigt away. Even if this works, what about the Pro-53?

Thanks, will report findings.
 

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Sounds reasonable but how do I route midi to a insert effect? Also when I hit a key on the virtual keyboard the synth plays whatever patch is loaded, so I imagine this would happen if midi was routed to it and I don't want that patch sound just the FX.

This depends on the sequencer you are using.

I suspect you are using logic, and I don't know, but in cubase, you can assign any Midi channel to the insert effect like you would with any soft synth.

For the rest of the quote, which synth are you talking about? The structures are totally different. and the answer probably isn't going to apply to both. If you are talking FM7, you will HAVE to go the matrix screen. On Pro-53, turn OSC-A, OSC-B and NOISE all the way down on the mixer panel, and just below that you will see EXT-IN. Turn this up.

I remember you mentioning using FM7 as an FX machine in a previous post

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Thanks man that has done the trick for both synths, 7 and 53. NI have made a combined manual for the Komplete package and it does seem like a cutdown version of the original manuals, the Reactor part is only twenty pages long.

Pro-53 does need a midi message, like Colin said, to allow the sound through. I found it is ok to just use the HOLD button, this continually holds a midi note and allows sound through but if any Logic users can tell me an easy way to route midi to an insert effect, that would be appreciated.
 

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the problem is due to the way logic is put toghethor that is not possible, you need to use the side chain option on the instruments and side chin them to another track. at least this is what NI tells me. but i have stupidly have not found them yet... if any one finds them please post or PM me... thank you :Smile3:
 

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Ok here is what I got off the Logic forums:

1. The way it works in logic is that you open the plugin on an instrument track, select the track you want to process in the sidechain field and record the MIDI data on that instrument track.

2. Plug-ins such as this should be inserted as a virtual _instrument_ --
i.e. in the input slot (2nd from bottom) of an Audio Instrument.
Then you can put whatever midi data you want on the instrument's
track. To feed the audio into it, you would use the plug-in's
sidechain popup to pick the audio track that contains the
to-be-processed audio.


Highly illogical Captain. :o
 

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Missing-Link said:
ok... but were are these side chain drop menus ...

i cant find them :no: or am i just blind?

Make sure you load the Pro-57 and the FM7 as the 'fx' type so that you have the popup for the side chain to the right of the 'Bypass' and 'Editor' tabs. To make the fx mork you need to turn the 'Ext In' button in the centre of the Pro-57 just below 'Mixer', turn the oscillator volumes down in the 'Mixer' area to just get the effected noise of your audio file, you then midi trigger. For FM7 it will be similar but haven't tried it yet.
 

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I got this just sticking P53 on a instrument track as an instrument and the SC box came up.
 

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i emaild logic they said they had some problems with native instruments and they would write back as soon as they contact germany?

its all good :huh:
 
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