All depends on how much you wanna spend and what you want on the thing in terms of facilities/channels.
For budget (but large size, many channels and reasonable facilities) I'd recommend Behringer DX1000 (Digital Village were selling these for Â£125)
Haven't seen the new smaller B'ringers, but the old small ones are sh*te...avoid!
For better, but smaller, try Allen & Heath Xone:02 (around Â£250) or one of the Ecler HAK range(about the same Â£s)...
If you want better and more channels/facilities, go for A&H Xone:32 (Â£350), 62 (Â£700) or 92 (Â£1000) or Tascam X90 (Â£800).
Or the Dogs Bollox in DJ mixers are Formula Sound FSM400 (Â£650) or 600 (Â£1000). Note you *will* need a dedicated flight case for the Formula Sound desks as they are intended for install and all connections are on the bottom, not on the back!
Yes - tell me about it - got a new set of decks last year, and the voltage switch was set to 110 volts. They got totally frazzled straight away :no: You could smell 'em burning up inside :crazy:
Um, to be honest I'd say from experience don't buy a medium priced mixer. I've got a small pile of 'medium priced' mixers from the last 10 years when in hindsight I should've just bought a Pioneer first off. You really do get what u pay for and the more expensive mixers are just so much more of a joy to play on.
Norty speaks the truth, take heed!!!
got a mid priced mixer, and it just doesnt quite do what its supposed to! gonna buy a pioneer soon.. ive looked in to the behringer models, but ive only heard bad reports... looks like pioneer, definately not the same quality by any means...!
have fun mixing !
Yep all of that is really helpful.
Are there no adaptors you can buy that allow USA electrical to be played in England?
I think my 100s mustve come from america cause they have a 2 pin plug on em, but I just got adaptors and they work fine! Didnt check the switch at the back tho so I guess I was lucky! Will do in future!
To use 110V equipment on 240v supply you need a step-down transformer. These are big and heavy and not that cheap.
Some equipment *is * dual voltage, but it is worth checking first before you buy that the equipment from the states is dual voltage.
A (usually) safer bet is to buy from HongKong...most stuff from there is UK spec, but 110v so might be more likely to be dual voltage.
2-pin plugs (Kev) are european (the small flat type or the round eart tabs on the side type)...Technically it is illegal to sell equipment in the UK fitted with these plugs. However Europe is, without exception 220/230/240V 50Hz and all equipment will work in the UK with the addition of a plug adaptor or by simply buying a plug top (50p ish) and cutting the moulded 2-pin one off.
The Behringer DX1000 and, presumably, some other mixers (Some Vestax) have outboard transformers...Hence just buying a suitable new 240V input transformer will allow you to use equipment purchased anywhere in the UK.
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Fushion Julz @ Feb 25 2004, 03:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> 2-pin plugs (Kev) are european (the small flat type or the round eart tabs on the side type)...Technically it is illegal to sell equipment in the UK fitted with these plugs. However Europe is, without exception 220/230/240V 50Hz and all equipment will work in the UK with the addition of a plug adaptor or by simply buying a plug top (50p ish) and cutting the moulded 2-pin one off. [/quote:173d6f5480]
Ahhh fairplay. Yea I just got the 50p plug tops and they're fine.
I got my decks from JBSMusic. Are they selling stuff illegally then?
It is, apparantly, OK for them to include in the instructions (or a slip in sheet) explicit wording on the need to change the plug.
Most companies get round the multi-region/country problem by including two or more mains leads with different ends...
However, if the equipment is normally sold in the UK with proper 3-pin plugs and they are selling it with euro 2-pins, the equipment is probably "parallel imported". Could have implications on servicing and spares if the retailer goes bust...
Ahh ok. Well I'll hope mine dont follow suit with a lot of the pioneers ive heard about and break then!
Gotta say its a bit cheeky of JBS to just send me them ready for use in the EU, fully knowing im in the UK.
Well, good luck!
CD players in general need laser replacements every 10000hrs use...on average.
It really is a matter of if you think your machine is disposable @ 10000hrs or whether you want to fix it.
Pioneer laser assemblies for CDJ100, 500, 500 II and 500s (dunno if they are the same for 800 and 1000) cost a tad under Â£70 +VAT...But they come uncalibrated and need the Pioneer manual to set them up to!
Most service agents won't touch Pioneer because of their shitty supply of parts, extortionate cost and the fact that they won't accept returns (even if the part is faulty) from non-authorised spares centres or service agents!!
Compare that to almost any other pro-CD deck (Denon, Numark, Gemini, etc) where the laser comes calibrated, ready for assembly onto the board for around Â£35+VAT.
Add to that the fact that Pioneer spares take around a week minimum to come from Belgium (they keep zero spares stock in the UK) whereas most other manufacturers' parts are off-the-UK-shelf...
You can see why I say Pioneer are shite for service...
Technically Pioneer don't even service their own kit...they sub-contract to a company called SEME...who have the wonderful customer service attitude of: You didn't buy it from us, you're not a Pioneer agent so we won't deal with you"
As for your purchase, Kev:
Legally the retailer you paid for the goods is responsible for replacing or repairing the item should it be faulty under the warranty. After the warranty expires, though, there is a "grey area". The dealer might decline to service it, Pioneer UK might decline to supply parts as it was not purchased through them and Pioneer Europe could say it was sold outside of their territory and responsibility...thereby leaving you in the lurch! It isn't just Pioneer, to be fair, any company could say that. It is just in my experience a company such as Harman don't ask where it was purchased...they know a pro bit of kit is important to be serviceable and will do their utmost to fix it or provide the name of a contractor who will do the job on their behalf.
Knowing Pioneer, I would suspect that problems would appear...
If, like me, you paid Â£250 for a pair of decks in a flight case, then you would probably not care....If you paid Â£1500 for a pair of CDJ1000, then I'm sure it would become loads more important!
Fairplay Julz, u know your stuff and have obviously had bad experiences with Pioneer in the past (as has Barclay if I remember correctly). Not sure how many hrs use mine have had but I know its very much under 10000. Guess its a case of wait n see!
Anyways I think we've successfully taken this off topic! :P
It seems that the pioneer mixers are more reliable than the CD decks although if you do go that route don't lose any knobs of it. At 4.75 plus nearly Â£3 postage it's an expensive habit. I'm sure DJ's steal mine every time it goes out, I've never pulled one off and NOBODY can be that clumsy can they??? :blink:
I used to have a Numark mixer (it was fairly rubbish) and they supply knobs free of charge to anyone who cares to ring them up and ask!
I used to get them via the dealer..They just ordered spares (for free) every time the placed an order!
Actually, I didn't say Pioneer kit was unreliable (it isn't), only that *when* it goes wrong, it is nightmare x100 to fix!!
FWIW...the Pioneer mixers are not really designed for life on the road...I would call them semi-pro gear.
For a bedroom/living room/occasional indoor party they will do the job...For a summer of forests, leaky marquees and DJs who spill beer and weed all over them they won't last...For those situations Allen&Heath and Formula Sound are the daddies!
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (mullett @ Feb 25 2004, 05:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> yea thats right kev you can't go wrong with a 300 it like haveing a 600 with out all the extra' :smokingrasta: s
The "extras" being most of the mixer. :P
Aaaaaahhhhhh Formula Sound, that takes me back.......
"Oooops, its got beer in it, never mind it'll run off the edges of the board...... oh no it has stopped working, never mind swap the channel for this module. All better whilst I repair the knackered one......"
Yeah the 80 & 90, wicked mixers apart from some of the jacks pulling out of the sockets under the weight of the cable sometimes (and the deep box needed to hold them)
Oh just looked at their website, they have come on a bit haven't they!! :blink: What was wrong with the red and black i ask ya... Huge knobs tho (teehee, snigger, fnarr)