hippy crack??

Cai said:
I saw this guy at the liquid record release party at the rocket who i then saw again selling nitrous at a squat party in Dalston recently. He had lost a lot of weight his eyes were bulging and looked generally terrible. Really looked like it was doing some damage.
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I think you need to be very careful that you attribute the effects of drugs correctly. Sounds to me more like the effects of chronic smack use.

As soon as it ran out too he wittled away into this gollum like creature in the corner. Half an hour later a new delivery was made and he sprang back into life - if thats what you can call it.
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Let's not forget that for those who choose to sell it, the profit potential is quite considerable - You can get chargers for 25p if you look in the right places, and sell each hit for £1; I've even seen it on sale for £1.50. It's possible to earn a living from it if you're dedicated enough. However, that would mean going to a lot of parties where you might not like the music, but where you know you'll be able to shift a few hundred chargers in a night. This might well result in hiding in a corner somewhere when you were waiting for more gas to turn up!

I could obviously be wrong, but it sounds more like this geezer is a smack addict selling nitrous to hippies at parties to pay for his habit.

For the sake of transparency, I should really state my interest - it might help people understand why I seem so keen to justify the use of gas. I don't drink, smoke or take chemicals of any kind... any more. I've had my time with all of these though (more good than bad, with some of them) but I've realised over the years that I prefer myself without them. However I was recently introduced to nitrous (by Dick Trevor, as it goes) and quite frankly I love it! I really feel like I've finally found a psychedelic drug that I can handle; I get a warm, cosy, tingly feeling that doesn't change my experience of myself as a person - and the auditory effects are quite stunning. Best of all, it lasts 2 minutes max and I'm the same person coming out of it as I was going in. I don't go over the top with it: I only use it at parties (with the odd rare exception), never on my own and I've never done more than 5 in a night as far as I can recall. That's despite having been given a dispenser and some chargers for my birthday recently.
 
This bloke wasnt a smack head. He was a nitrous head no doubt. Wasnt a pretty sight. I reckon he must have taken a shit load that night and over the course of the summer.
Dont wanna cause offence. Im sure in moderation its cool but this bloke was messed up from it.
Also have israeli friends who say its a bit of an epidemic out there, this is passed on info and dont know how true it is or whatever just letting you know what ive heard and seen.
 
hippie cracks the bestname for it eva, we were gonna make a sign up 4 the sellers an tell em they could only sell it if they stood under the sign!!!
hehehe :Grin:

but it's good clean fun!!
got video footage of me an my mate on it :trippn:
 
Ok i might not know absolutely that he wasn't smack or real crack head or something like that, but the overwhelming impression i got from him was that he was totally absorbed in the nitrous.
Junkies will often do stuff in order to make money for their hit but only enough so they can score again. This dude had a serious wad of cash from selling the ballons but that was absolutely no consolation for him when the nitrous ran out.
His thing that he did was gone. For the venders its often like their party piece if you like. All the people queing up are their congregation and they regail them with nitrous stories etc. Not seeming to really pay attention to the people just relentlessly entertaining. Just being totally into the nitrous trip.
A junkie would sell enough balloons for a hit and then run off to score. This guy was permanently entrenched in his corner being the nitrous guy. He could suck on the ballon harder then anyone else and for longer then anyone else. Then could perfectly recreate the experience using a weird screeching noise that kinda sounded like a siren, exactly like the sounds you'd hear under the influence of it.
He didnt talk about anything else and certainly wasnt interested in hearing about anything else.
Im sure this guy is an incredibly extreme case of over-doing it which is why i said moderation is the key. Im certainly not saying dont do it, its bad. The only reason i noticed all this stuff is cos i went up to buy some off him. Just so happened it was when they had just ran out. Waited 20 mins or so and a new delivery was made, saw him spring back into action and demonstrate how well he could take it and what he could do under the influence.
It was a party and i was obviously not in a sober state myself but i can remember being slightly disturbed by the whole thing and remembering meeting him at the liquid party earlier in the year and seeing how he'd deteriorated.
Its all subjective though. I was fucked, maybe he was a smack head, maybe he'd done enough gas to kill an elephant. There are lots of things that dont make this an open and shut case, just telling you what i saw guv'!
One more thing, how different is it to breathing in ballons of butane? Thats a question by the way, not an accusation.
 
Colin OOOD said:
For the sake of transparency, I should really state my interest - it might help people understand why I seem so keen to justify the use of gas. I don't drink, smoke or take chemicals of any kind... any more. I've had my time with all of these though (more good than bad, with some of them) but I've realised over the years that I prefer myself without them. However I was recently introduced to nitrous (by Dick Trevor, as it goes) and quite frankly I love it! I really feel like I've finally found a psychedelic drug that I can handle; I get a warm, cosy, tingly feeling that doesn't change my experience of myself as a person - and the auditory effects are quite stunning. Best of all, it lasts 2 minutes max and I'm the same person coming out of it as I was going in. I don't go over the top with it: I only use it at parties (with the odd rare exception), never on my own and I've never done more than 5 in a night as far as I can recall. That's despite having been given a dispenser and some chargers for my birthday recently.
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Hey Colin,
I think I had my mind firmly made up on how I see it, mainly because it is so visible and looks horrible when people are laying on the ground breathing in and out of balloons. But I have to say, if you have researched it I would respect your view and maybe rethink how I feel about it. I have seen people who are doing many balloons in a row who look positively greyish-green, that is why I feel it is unhealthy!
Not sure if I would try it, but then again I certainly tried something I had not bargained for last weekend. If interested check out http://www.graeme-farrer.net/tmg-ltd/magick_forum/view_topic.php?id=476&forum_id=25
:ph34r:
 
OK, here's my tuppence-worth.

I agree with cai.

At Turaya, a young woman popped out of nowhere and sat in the middle of the main-stage floor with her dispenser and accessories and started pssssting. As anyone knows, who was there, there were many kids around (I should also be posting this in the "Kids at parties" thread). Being a steward, I approached her and politely reminded her about the kids and asked her to move to a more discreet position. It's legal she replied and refused to move - so point number one, the purveyors of this stuff have absolutely no regard for where they are. In-your-face seems to be their way. When she didn't have any customers, she was sucking up the stuff like it was oxygen. Of course her complexion was as one would expect of someone lacking oxygen in their blood.

The last Omniscience wasn't so bad but previously, I had to move away from the chillout area because of the damned psssssting noise. I also hate to see the beer boys walking around with two or three in each hand.

For the record I am a firm believer that your body is your own and nobody has the right to tell you what to put in it but don't do it in my face.
 
Please read in the manner in which it was written... gently and with a smile.

greatruaha said:
...I had my mind firmly made up on how I see it, mainly because it is so visible and looks horrible when people are laying on the ground breathing in and out of balloons.
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So you don't like the drug because of the way it looks when people take it?

I have seen people who are doing many balloons in a row who look positively greyish-green, that is why I feel it is unhealthy!
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Have you ever really looked dispassionately at someone who's right on one, having done 2 or 3 pills in a night, or a goodly amount of MDMA? The bulging, wandering eyes, glistening sweaty skin (especially if they've been dancing), constantly working jaw, trembling hands...

Let's not judge by appearances, eh? :Smile3:
 
The next time some greedy opportunist cunt sets up his gas bottle 10 yards from where I'm trying to play music, and proceeds to "PSSSHSHSHSHS!!!" his way through my set, I shall abandon any pretence of decorum and go and lamp the bastard.




[And pick your fucking ballons up when you've finished with 'em you slobs...!!]
 
Im entirely in agreement with Colin - I really find them a wonderful way to experience a 'high' without too much detriment to health and/or mind alteration in general.
I find it bizarre how people go on about how unseemly it looks with people breathing out of balloons, a) it really doesnt but b) as Colin points out and I shall continue, it doesnt look nearly as bad as someone staggering around looking like theyve been shot with a tranq dart on K. a sight alone that puts me off wanting to try it.
Also, people that complain about it causing vitamin deficiency who will happily do loads of acid, spliffs etc... i see no logic! :blink:

However, Ott has a point, the noise they make is very penetrating and loud and does get irritating if you have to hear it through a set. Perhaps if they could do it in a quiet spot somewhere instead :Smile3:
 
Notes: NO2 is generally pretty safe. It shouldn't be used by anyone with a heart condition and should NEVER be used with Viagra...
 
N2O causes B12 deficiency and is highly addictive without a doubt. The effects are amazing though.

The canisters are coated with chromium NOT cadmium. Allowing cadmium to be used in something destined for the food industry would be akin to making teaspoons out of lead.

N2O is one of the six major greenhouse gases and is excreted UNCHANGED from the lungs after use. The canisters are recyclable - I take mine into starbucks and they ask no questions.

Very worrying is the grey metallic deposit which is left in the cracker (and your lungs). Adding a small amount of water to the cracker flask and shaking after the charger has been inserted helps reduce this, as does using a baloon and not inhaling the gas straight out of the cracker.

Pure, medical grade nitrous is one of the safest drugs, however it is true to say that it does act in the same way as solvents and all anaesthetics- by dissolving in cell membranes and causing them to expand.

Everything in moderation etc...
 
DoctorJon said:
N2O is one of the six major greenhouse gases and is excreted UNCHANGED from the lungs after use.
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You're thinking of the NOx (x being 1,2 or 3) family of gases, which are side-products of internal combustion engines (eg cars) and they ozone-depleting, not greenhouse gases.

:grandad:
 
Pretty much all has being said. I Just finished reading the whole thing and must admit that When I first noticed the so called "hippie crack" I first started to hate it because all the paraphernalia that it brings about (Including the rubish, but thats the people, not the drug), and because I'm quite moderate and old fashioned about drugs, and as a first impact, I was very much puzzled by how wide-spreaded it was. This was at boomfestival and I didn't pay much attention to it but then i was to discover how MUCH it anoyes me to hear the so many times mentioned "PTSSSCH" Chill out was that close to being paradise if it werent for the white noises all over (Ott way to go). After reading the thread i dont care if the drug is good or bad, i just make a claim against the noise. Regarding drug dealers in the middle of kids dancefloors... I think it goes without saying.

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I was trying to listen to a live music act at the Turaya festival when someone was doing this stuff. It wasn't a problem except the balloons kept popping thus spoiling the music and distracting the artists.

Just seems too in your face and very unsocial.
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Yep, she was a proper pain in the arse and had a bad attitude from what we could tell. You weren't the only people to speak to her either. It was Sunday night and everyone was having a great time, young and old, listening to the last few acts of the festival and it spoilt it enormously.

Just as well she didn't turn up a couple of hours earlier, during ott's or Hallucinogen in Dubs set...... actually, Simon, Ott & Youth, armed with mixing desk, guitar and bass.... now there's a mental picture :lol:

We refused a nitrous stall from our party on Saturday for the noise reasons alone.
 
Its quite fun I think.

Noisy but fun.

I certainly wouldnt let it interfear with the subtle dynamics of chill out music. (Espically if that big scary man Ott was playing) But it's one of the few drugs thats gives me aural hallucinations which I always enjoy.
 
I don't know how people can get so bothered by nitrous. Shock horror - people using a (pretty safe) drug at a party!! You might not have noticed this but there are actually quite a lot of drugs allready at parties. :rolleyes: And quite a few I would rate as a lot more dangerous. iv seen some pretty fucked up people on pills, k, acid etc... never seen someone look like theyve entered the other side after inhaling some nitrous though.

Obviously, if its causing litter then its a problem, but any decent party organisers, and goers should have a responcibility to the environment whatever the litter is. As for the noise, it can get a bit annoying. Id imagine if you were a dj it would be very of putting, so i can see why that might be a problem, but tbh, i think that is just disrespectful whatever to be making loud noises (be it nitrous, drums, whatever) by a dj whos trying to mix. Basic common sense really.

I reckon incense is the real hippy crack.... :mad: :Wink3:
 
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