How to work out all these together?

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-I am buying a tb-303 after years of dreaming.
-I do not want to give up the software drum-machines. If you have any recommended ones, please tell me so.
-I may buy some synths or soft synths. I am open for recommendations
-Dont know if I have to go for a hardware sampler or Logics sampler is good enough. What would be the advantage of going for a hardware sampler except the cpu usage, I have several akai and roland sample discs waiting to be explored.
-I am a mac user.
-I have a M-audio firewire solo interface.
-I have studio monitors.
-I have an alesis quadraverb effect machine.
-How do you think all this can work together. What do I need, a mixing desk? or what else?
-I am planning to record live instruments as well maybe not more than 2 at the same time.
-I think Logic looks like the right software for me. If you know Logic which tutorials(where can I find them) or guide books do you recommend?

Some of these I have inheritedç some are from old live band days, but I was a drummer and now this is a whole new approach. I am willing to sit seriously and work. I would be grateful for some recommendations and some ideas, answers
 
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hardware samplers are a pain in the arse with all that data transer n stuff and Logics ESX24 samplers have a Veeery low CPU usage being native to the application n all that :Smile3:

If yyou have any hardware instruments / effects you want to include in your tunes, you will need a mixer.
 

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well I was feeling the same about the sampler, but wondered what is the advantage as I ve never udes one :Smile3: thnkas for that.

why do I buy the 303. Cause that is the very cause of me getting into all this music many years ago (listening), both ambient and trance, and I truly love the sound, to the extent of just listening patterns on it that I ve written (on emulators) without any other sound running :Smile3:
 
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kodomo said:
-I am buying a tb-303 after years of dreaming
i would ask the same question - why >? but you already answered that!

kodomo said:
-I do not want to give up the software drum-machines. If you have any recommended ones, please tell me so.
Native instruments Battery is popular one, but i tend to stick with my drums in the ESX24's or maybe Kontact if i am after particular filters etc

kodomo[size=2 said:
][/size]-I may buy some synths or soft synths. I am open for recommendations
there's already quite a few threads covering this here - have a dig around!!

kodomo said:
-Dont know if I have to go for a hardware sampler or Logics sampler is good enough. What would be the advantage of going for a hardware sampler except the cpu usage, I have several akai and roland sample discs waiting to be explored.
see above - having a graphical interface to do all your editing in is a wonderful thing

kodomo said:
--I am a mac user.
-I have a M-audio firewire solo interface.
-I have studio monitors.
-I have an alesis quadraverb effect machine.
well thats 3/4 of your hardware requirements covered

kodomo said:
-How do you think all this can work together. What do I need, a mixing desk? or what else?
Yes - you will need a mixer for sure

kodomo said:
--I am planning to record live instruments as well maybe not more than 2 at the same time.
then you will need Mics, and for condenser mics you will need a desk with phantom powered XLR inputs

kodomo said:
-I think Logic looks like the right software for me. If you know Logic which tutorials(where can I find them) or guide books do you recommend?
your Logic manual is always a start & no doubt the logic website will be of tremendous help, theres a few Logic users on here too. I was 95 % self taught with a few essential pointers from Scorb and OTT^ was also a great help too

kodomo said:
I would be grateful for some recommendations and some ideas, answers
that's what this forum is for!! any questions? get posting !!
 

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you will need a midi 2 cv converter to get the 303 (or any pre MIDI synth) to sync with your song... I use a kenton pro 2 but this is old now... I think they make better ones.

I love the 303 too sure it's noisy, expensive un-practical... but it's a historic piece of kit with a unique sound... the re-birth emulation is not bad at all but there is something about using the real thing... I have collected a a few analogues synths over the years & the emulations have never been quite the same... You get a certain amount of wildness from real analogue... as well as a LOT of bass. the noises & clicks & hisses & pops? that's just part of the charm.... to me it's a big diff having some real analogue in with all this digi sound quality... it's subtle but real...
 

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I'm working without a traditional mixing desk in the studio at the minute. My RME Hammerfall gives me 8 analogue inputs and I just drive all the sound sources through there and mix in Cubase.

Haven't found a need for a control surface so far. Maybe if and when I start using more acoustic sources...

I used to have a Yamaha 01v, but it became redundant and I part-exed if for the Hammerfall.

Live is different - I use a Mackie 1202vlz-pro. Just the right size for what I do. If I'm working with someone else, we usually use a second desk and sub-mix.
 

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well if get a mixer like that, then i should connect it to my audio card right. But then how can logic differentiate channels and get each channel of mixer to its own chanells, my audio card has 1 input. Should I get a sound card with that many inputs???
 

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Various ways of doing it.

You could multi-track record external sources individually, or you could get a card with more inputs, or you could get a card with more outputs and mix externally. Depends what best suits your way of working.
 
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Even if yuor audio card only has 1 set of inputs, you can direct the signal of any channel on the mixing desk down to the channel that will be returning to your computer.
 

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Hmm I guess I found something suitable.
Tascam FW 1082
I connect my auido and my midi, connect my effect machine and it will send data to each track of the logic, and furthermore can control it as a control surface for Logic too.
So it looks like this now

My apple G4 running Logic
connected to
Tascam FW 1082
connected with
nord lead 2
tb-303
audio source 1 (flutes most probably)
audio source 2 (other live instrument)
alesis quadraverb
out to my monitors

Excuse my lack of knowledge but I have another question
Lets assume i made a tone and played a melody
it can be recorded in midi or audio is it?
If it is midi how can I have the sound of nord
If it is audio how can I make specific changes as I wont have the notes on a piano roll on screen
Shall I play midi information only, then correct as I want it to be and then send the midi data to nord and record it through audio at the same time
 
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record it as midi 1st, correct any wrong notes / quantise / record any continuous controller info (filters etc) until you have it correct then record as audio :Smile3:
 

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Before you buy a tb303 check this out http://www.audiorealism.se/ablpro/shot01.jpg
The next stage of 303 evolution, even more versitile than a devilfish and is set for release any time now. Mac compateble too. :ibiggrin:
 

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i already have audiorealism bassline and I love it
but this looks like a good improvement
it also looks like the tb303 i was getting is going to someone else
:Sad:
i dont wanna sound like an elitist or anything
the sound generated by those analog machines
+ the controlability + my unknown love and adoration for them
looking at a synth i wanna play with it
looking at the computer screen flattens me out :Sad:
less interaction is involved or so i feel so
thousands of years of evolution for using my body
is confined to my right hand and a few fingers
(unless you have a decent controller)
 

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kodomo said:
the sound generated by those analog machines
+ the controlability + my unknown love and adoration for them
Some folk feel differently sometimes... (clicky)

looking at a synth i wanna play with it
looking at the computer screen flattens me out :Sad:
I can empathise with that, but get a decent controller and you're mostly there... plus you won't have to faff about making sure the audio is perfect on every beat!

J.
 

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Hmm very nice thread that you pointed out there
I will be making tests and trying the reason out for serious
and look for a decent controller
and lets see what happens then
 

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There are other ways of getting the original tb303 sound:

http://www.ladyada.net/make/x0xb0x/resc.html

especially the 3031 from oakley. i cant tell the difference :Grin:

If your not into building one yourself (needs experience) maybe you can pick up a used one?
 
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