AcidTrash said:
Then how come the BNP is experiencing a massive influx of new members and makes startling improvements at the ballot box each time?
Because the BNP and their ilk have worked out that you can fool some of the people all of the time. This is not a national phenomenon, the gains have been in specifically targeted areas, generally in deprived locations and low wage sink estates where education is poor and the temptation to blame the straw man of immigration is high.
I assume you're referring to the ICM poll conducted for the heavily conservative (and pro neo-conservative) magazine The Economist. You do know that it's possible to commission a poll to prove pretty much anything, right? It's all in how you ask the questions - that's how it was possible to get one polling organisation (sponsored by the Republican Party) predicting a Republican win in the 2004 US elections, and another (sponsored by the Democratic Party) predicting a win for John Kerry and the Democrats. Since the marketeers took polling over it has become a very inexact science.
I do not forget that fact. You are making the incorrect assumption I am a white supremecist. If I get your point. If indeed you have one. Care to eleborate?
No, I'm saying that your statements on immigration sound an awful lot like the straw man arguments used by white supremacists to garner power and support from those who can be persuaded that immigration is the root of their problems.
That's not the point I was making though - the point is that the 'great Muslim takeover' that you are trying to present as a
fait accompli unless we withdraw from Europe and impose unnecessarily strict limits on immigration is a load of paranoid drivel dreamed up by those who would take advantage of the systemic educational problems among the working and lower middle classes to enact their racist and anti-democratic policies.
Your knowledge of Germany and it's current economic problems could use some brushing up on. Also, the Germans are still having a hard time recovering from re-unification.
The world is having a tough time readjusting to the collapse of the Soviet Union - hell, the current administration in the US can barely function without an enemy it can blame for the screw-ups it's making (note how pretty much every piece of draconian legislation currently being enacted are just regurgitated McCarthyite policies with 'Communist/ism' deleted and 'Terrorist/ism' inserted in its place).
They also have a serious demographic time bomb in terms of pensions and productivity.
As does pretty much every Western state right now - we're all too busy trying to stay above the poverty line and/or keep up with the Joneses to procreate at the level we were before our social safety nets were shredded by Thatcher/Kohl/Chirac/Reagan/Bush in the '80s and early '90s. This is a global issue, not restricted to this country.
In fact, pretty much the only countries where economy and birth rate are keeping pace with one another are China and India. One because birth rate is controlled by diktat fro mthe party in power, and the other because the executive boards of multinational US-based corporations funded a boom in the technological economy in order to generate cheap outsourced labour.
Britain is also Tolerant. This is half the problem. We are too tolerant.
Rubbish. There are other countries that have far more lenient immigration and welfare policies than we do.
Also Germany is seriously suffering from unified exhange rates and the Euro in general. You wanna talk about f*cked up countries mate I can point you in the right direction.
The most screwed-up country in the world by a country mile right now is the USA. The Euro would be booming right now if it weren't for the US threatening to bomb the everlasting shite out of any country that starts trading oil in Euros.
It was accepted at the time that there would be teething issues with a single European currency, but that the long-term value would outweigh it. The problem with 'Keep The Pound', as with all regressive policies is that it may allow for short-term gain, but over a longer period we *will* end up losing out.
Binge culture is a symptom of a far more serious problem. If you would care to start a thread I will explore the issue with you.
You start it, because I don't have a solid hypothesis for the causes, other than there being little better to do for those at a disadvantage in our current societal setup.
Free healthcare, local democracy, welfare state, workers rights, animal welfare, public health, infrastrucure, engineering, innovation. For gods sake, wake up. Why do you think the UK is a first choice destination for immigrants????
As I said above, we don't have anything that isn't available in many other European democracies - stop acting like we're an exception... we're not.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2006/02/19/nsharia119big.jpg
Do some reasearch on Islamic states and Sharia law. If your moral compass is in any way functioning you will find their practices as abhorrant as any other decent human being.
a) As if the Torygraph doesn't have an agenda.
b) I find the actions of some of our troops just as abhorrent, as well as the perversion of the US criminal justice system
Saudi is not backed, it is tolerated for financial and strategic reasons.
So why is Prince Bandar treated as an honorary member of the Bush clan?
Even so, treating a regime that has a terrible human rights record with kid gloves just because of what they can sell us pretty much negates any right to take the moral high ground, don't you think?
J.
