Instalation not happening in XP help please

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Well after this last virus from the end of the year(be careful they are still around) my pc got infected, it was very slow and i couldn't do some simple things like writing my F******G assignment due in friday...
well my antivirus stopped working, even if i tryed to delete and install new ones, it would give error, it reached a point that if i pressed delete instead of deleting it would try to install something..... i always done cancel to those instalations. I couldnt do any updates of the windows and antivirus and checked the windows site and says that there was a virus targeting users trough a hole in the visualisation of sound and images......
The thing is, i have formatted the hard drive and when i try to install a new version (original xp pro) it says there are some missing files, extremely weird because i have installed with the same cd many times, i dont know what to do....
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not all viruses can be deleted through hard drive formatting.

I've had viruses 'hang on' after hard drive formats. I've never not been able to reinstall windows though. Try taking the battery out of the mobo? Maybe it is hiding in clock memory? Pure speculation on my part. Probably won't work. Also is it possible that you are actually having a hardware failure as oppose to a virus problem? How old/thrashed is your hard drive?
 

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Clock memory sounds an unlikely place for a virus to hide. If it survives a HD format then it's probably built itself a separate partition on the hard-drive.
Is the CD you're installing from clean ? Might just be gunk on the disk since you last used it...
Or, you've changed the boot order in the BIOS so it's not starting from the CD. If you're getting a "Boot sector not found" type of message then go into the BIOS (usually hold down F2 or DEL on bootup) you should have CDRom as a boot option, put it first in the list...

If this doesn't work - sounds like an ideal time to switch to Linux. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ for details :Grin:
 

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I virus cannot be activated unless the program its in is run, if you format your harddrive, even with a quick format, the computer cannot see the files, and therefore cannot run them, unless you specifically go looking for the hidden files your computer is safe :Smile3:

Do a full (not quick) format of your drive, then run a full ChkDsk on your Harddrive, its possible you have bad sectors, then try reinstalling :iyes:
 

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can a virus still be on the drive after a 7 or 35 pass erase?
My understanding (which may well be wrong) is that deleting a file from a hard drive does't get rid of anything. It simply sets a flag on the space saying that it may be written over, ie the old information is all there - this is how it is possible for the rozzers to pull info off hard drives when they have been formatted. You only get rid of info once it has been written over by something else.
 

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Speakafreaka said:
My understanding (which may well be wrong) is that deleting a file from a hard drive does't get rid of anything. It simply sets a flag on the space saying that it may be written over, ie the old information is all there - this is how it is possible for the rozzers to pull info off hard drives when they have been formatted. You only get rid of info once it has been written over by something else.
Which is actually correct. However Miszt is also correct in saying the Operating System cannot by itself ACCESS this data as a normal file. The Old Bill would use a special program to examine and reconstruct the erased data - the operating system wouldn't bother, or have the means to do this.
So formatting (even quick formatting) should erase the ability of the file to be executed thus preventing the virus.

The main question therefore should be "what files are missing ?". My guess is that the CD is a bit screwed so during the install some of the new required files are not being properly moved to the hard drive...
 

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Speakafreaka said:
My understanding (which may well be wrong) is that deleting a file from a hard drive does't get rid of anything. It simply sets a flag on the space saying that it may be written over, ie the old information is all there - this is how it is possible for the rozzers to pull info off hard drives when they have been formatted. You only get rid of info once it has been written over by something else.
Thats true, but for a virus it doesnt matter, becuse the OS (windows/*inx/etc) wont be able to see the file unless you use specialist software to recover the files, so it can run the infected file :Wink3: = no threat
 

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So whats happening is that i have done a normal nfts format and when i try to install, during the "copying setup files" it appears a message saying that there is some files missing from the setup..... and asks if i wanna abort retry and ignore... i have tried them all, and never manage to install my windows....
I have some other windows boot cds (copies) and they always worked in any pc, but now... nothing works there.......

....... HELP......
 

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castrodp said:
So whats happening is that i have done a normal nfts format and when i try to install, during the "copying setup files" it appears a message saying that there is some files missing from the setup..... and asks if i wanna abort retry and ignore... i have tried them all, and never manage to install my windows....
I have some other windows boot cds (copies) and they always worked in any pc, but now... nothing works there.......

....... HELP......
go into the Repair Console (one of the options instead of Install when you boot the CD) and then type...

Chkdsk /F/R

then let it run, this fixes any bad parts of the disk, it may be that files are copying from the CD to bad sectors on the Hard Drive, and so the Install program cant see them, windoze is stupid like that *sigh*

once its finished, reboot and try the install again :Smile3:
 

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Yup - I'm inclined to agree with you both (very inclined in fact) to think that hardware is much more likely then virus induced problems in this case :Smile3: Difficult for a process to boot if the registry doesn't eh?
 

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It really does sound like you've either got a problem with the CD or the CD drive if it's having problems finding files. It's also entirely possible that this is happening after the initial file copy and you have bad sectors on your HDD.

If you're having the same issue across multiple CDs it may be worth seeing if you can find another CD drive to use and see if you still have the same problem.

J.
 

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This is a laptop in question and for me to put another cd drive it has to be an external..... will it boot from an external ... (should check in the bios startup, no??)
 

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castrodp said:
miszt
Do i write with any spaces????? and not sure if appears somewere were i can type this, i now that repair option...
Chkdsk /F/R
this is what should happen...

Install Boots up...



then you will get somthing like this...



Select the partition you want to repair, ie the one you are installing on to

then type excatly...

chkdsk /f/r

(dont need spaces between the /f and /r)

thatz it, reboot once its finished, it will take a while, so go watch eastenders or sumthin :Wink3:
 

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I owe you big time..........
Just another noobie question......
When it says press enter i should do c:chkdsk /f/r?????????????????
 

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nope

Just type 1, then press enter, then chkdsk /f/r

I suspect that you will have only one item on the list (you see where it says 1: C:\WINNT?), but if it has more, then post back on here and let me know what the options are
 

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no probz dood :Grin: anytime, hope it workz for ya, if it doesnt, try getting a new XP cd, if that doesnt work, try a CD cleaner, if that doesnt work, you'll probly either need a new Harddrive or new CD drive :Sad:
 
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