I used to think that live sets were sooo much better, and that DJs really couldn't compare, until I saw Jorg DJ at a big party last year. It was just incredible what he did to the dance floor! It was the first time I ever truly saw the shape of a DJ set, with every change taking the energy in a different way. So I started paying more attention to what DJs were doing, and realized that good DJs have so much more control over the dance floor than live acts. We need more good psy DJs... maybe. It was just a thought. What does any one else think about live vs DJ?:clublase:
Live or DJ?
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Fromem_Ory
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well first off i think a live set gets more respect for the fact that they actually made the music, but that definitely doesnt necessarily mean that its gonna be better than a DJ set. i really think that either can excell in their own ways. when you get the feeling that the artist running a live set is actually doing loads of stuff, and constantly evolving their set and working with the dancefloor, its hard to beat it. but seeing shane gobi DJ is just amazing, and there's a range of sounds and vibes....
just gotta weigh em up
just gotta weigh em up
Monkey Do
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There are great live acts and there are crap live acts.
Same with DJ's.
Same with DJ's.
JohnM
blah blah blah
DJs in psy trance seem to have become less important as the years have gone by - not sure why that should be - but think you'd be hard pressed to name many newer Djs who could draw people to a party in the same way as people like Tsuyoshi (can never spell his name!), Mark Allen or Tristan could in the late 90s (I'm not talking about skills - purely in terms of being a draw)
On the other hand "live" acts seem to have become more & more important - maybe a lot of the psy crowd have come directly from rock/indie and feel more comfortable with "live" acts?
On the other hand "live" acts seem to have become more & more important - maybe a lot of the psy crowd have come directly from rock/indie and feel more comfortable with "live" acts?
Michael
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i prefer to hear a night of well mixed music that takes me on a journey with dj's playing either side who are very aware of the vibe and atmosphere and know when to change things...
i've tried to get into the 'live act' thing but there are are very few who have excited or moved me like a good d.j.can
i've tried to get into the 'live act' thing but there are are very few who have excited or moved me like a good d.j.can
Red five
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SeaGoblin said:
amen to the brother!
no live act ever twists my lid ('cept maybe eat static and mr pos) like certain dj's...
I still like live acts, but I feel like the emphasis at big parties is more and more towards live sets, and it can kind of take the shape of the night away, especially if they put someone at the wrong time of night (or morning) just because they have a big name. It's kind of started to put me off big parties a bit (but not that much!), as small parties still tend to be DJ dominated, with maybe one or two live acts, which makes the live acts seem a bit more special. Which brings up small parties vs big parties... What does everyone prefer?
Jon Kenobi
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small parties hold an atmosphere and a connection between evryone involved from the promoters to DJ to dancers......its all about the vibe init
Michael
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Jon Kenobi said:
absolutely....
i prefer smaller parties for all those reasons
the first parties i ever went to;the promoters took a lot of time and thought into who they booked to play and what time they played, the people playing the music were chosen to play with a particular style and time in mind and they were very aware of what had been played before and how what music they played would continue/affect the vibe...the music/energy at those parties was quite amazing,you didn't have to take drugs to get into it,it was like being sucked into a merge/vibration and taken on a journey for 10-15 hours..
some of the d.j.s were well known,some weren't,they were picked to play on the night on the strength of the music they played together, the dj's weren't advertised,they were a small cog in the wheel,along with the many other elements,it was always about the party,not the d.j.s/live acts..
as much as psy-trance is now my favourite dance music i have never had this same experience/feeling at psy trance parties..
i am continually frustrated,in the psy-trance areas,which is why i spend most of my time in the chill out areas
i'm sure this could still be possible to change...but i think that parties are now all about booking the live acts,big names..
there isn't any thought put into what time they play or how their music interacts with the other d.j.s/live acts
except..'the biggest names play at the end'
hellooo - my 2 cents..
I've djed for years, after starting to do live sets as part of Voice of Cod, firstly I noticed one thing. The days psytrance needs to be mostly beatmatched to keep a crowd moving. I mean that you can do some nice ambient mixes to release the tension when the time is right (and knowing that comes down to experience) but about 3/4 of the set should be ...bom bom -Bam into the next track...
Initially, as a live act we we're just mixing the ambient intros and outros of our tunes over each other and i could see that the crowd wan't as pumped as when a skilled dj brought in the next track at the right time.. people don't want to loose that feeling..
now that we mix our live set (we have the technology ;-) we keep the energy going.
A dj has the chance to use music from all over the world, where as a live artist is limited to their tunes. Now if their tunes are good that's a great thing!!! Voice of Cod don't just play our tunes out of a laptop as I've heard other live's do.. we have many other synths and gadgets, live effects and much more running to keep the show as live as possible, which means we can tinker with the audience when we want to, we can do silly stuff.. little solos.. have some fun! We never stick the set in a prescribed order either.. just pick the next tune from our set that seems to go right for the vibe, just like we do when we dj...
I could go on about this for agers so I'm gonna stop here...
save to say one more thing. Look at the lineup for the fullmoon festival this year. It's the first time i've ever seen any party or festival have MORE live acts than djs... skilled djing is definitely fantastic at a party, but as there are so many more producers these days, the people who MADE the music are getting the opportunity to play, not just the guys who can MIX other peoples music. There's definitely a lot more skill involved in the former, although the latter is certainly an art form you can spend your life perfecting...
love to both djs and producers... at the end ofthe day it's about great music !!!
Can't wait to dance my tits off at the glade.. wooooooooooooo
Andrew
I've djed for years, after starting to do live sets as part of Voice of Cod, firstly I noticed one thing. The days psytrance needs to be mostly beatmatched to keep a crowd moving. I mean that you can do some nice ambient mixes to release the tension when the time is right (and knowing that comes down to experience) but about 3/4 of the set should be ...bom bom -Bam into the next track...
Initially, as a live act we we're just mixing the ambient intros and outros of our tunes over each other and i could see that the crowd wan't as pumped as when a skilled dj brought in the next track at the right time.. people don't want to loose that feeling..
now that we mix our live set (we have the technology ;-) we keep the energy going.
A dj has the chance to use music from all over the world, where as a live artist is limited to their tunes. Now if their tunes are good that's a great thing!!! Voice of Cod don't just play our tunes out of a laptop as I've heard other live's do.. we have many other synths and gadgets, live effects and much more running to keep the show as live as possible, which means we can tinker with the audience when we want to, we can do silly stuff.. little solos.. have some fun! We never stick the set in a prescribed order either.. just pick the next tune from our set that seems to go right for the vibe, just like we do when we dj...
I could go on about this for agers so I'm gonna stop here...
save to say one more thing. Look at the lineup for the fullmoon festival this year. It's the first time i've ever seen any party or festival have MORE live acts than djs... skilled djing is definitely fantastic at a party, but as there are so many more producers these days, the people who MADE the music are getting the opportunity to play, not just the guys who can MIX other peoples music. There's definitely a lot more skill involved in the former, although the latter is certainly an art form you can spend your life perfecting...
love to both djs and producers... at the end ofthe day it's about great music !!!
Can't wait to dance my tits off at the glade.. wooooooooooooo
Andrew
Mubali
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One thing that has always striked an interesting chord with me is that with this particular genre it is more artist driven than dj driven. When I started getting into dancemusic as a whole, it was all dj driven. I didn't really grasp the concept of producers untill I started djing. When it comes to my preference, I would rank a good well mixed djs set in the same category as a well mixed live set with original unreleased material. I have always been a big fan of the beat not stopping unless you really want it to to signify a major release in energy... I do like the fact that with the psychedelic trance genre, the producers get a lot more recognition in general than the djs but that also is partially because there is a generally lower percentage of really good (both technical and energywise) djs. But this is also why if a producer comes to play, most of the time I would prefer a live set from them. I have seen many producers that couldn't mix cake batter with instructions... I have seen djs like that too, but many more producers. There are producers that mix awesomely, and it's always a big relief when you hear that, but those elite are few and far between. Not to mention, for every one producer, there's at least 2-3 djs.
I started as a dj, and moved to producing once I felt I really understood the music and understood the stories I wanted to tell with my music... I think that being a dj first has really helped the dancefloor accessiblilty of my stuff, unfortunately it does detract from the general home listening concept, but I question whether my style of music is really condusive for general home listening.... I may listen to the crazy stuff at home, but most people don't.
I started as a dj, and moved to producing once I felt I really understood the music and understood the stories I wanted to tell with my music... I think that being a dj first has really helped the dancefloor accessiblilty of my stuff, unfortunately it does detract from the general home listening concept, but I question whether my style of music is really condusive for general home listening.... I may listen to the crazy stuff at home, but most people don't.