Politics in Crisis

Barclay (Dark Angel)

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I've been looking at yesterday's by-election results in Scotland.

Turnout:-
Cathcart 31.97%
Livingston 38.6%

This isn't a New Labour victory. It's a direct indictment of the Political system, especially when you consider that the Livingston election had such a high profile following Robin Cook's death. Both results show a record low turn-out. The fact that Labour won both seats shows how poor the opposition is, especially when you consider how unpopular they are.

To my mind the problem isn't voter apathy, it's a universal feeling of impotence. Nothing the electorate can do makes any difference. The Tory party is weaker than I can ever remember. They have no policies, and no leader. The Liberals can't get past the first past the post electoral system, and in any event, have a weak leader. Mass protests in the millions are ignored.

It all adds up to an environment where the ruling party can do what it please - abuses and all. The electorate is effectively disenfranchised, and will in time resort to means other than the ballot box. Labour's response will be to become ever more authoritarian, in Tony Blair's pious belief that he's "doing the right thing".

Some day there'll be a massive realignment in British politics, but in the meantime we're in for a very nasty and rocky time. Even "middle England" is becoming involved, despite it's natural reactionary tendancies. The feeling is growing that in the absence of political balance, you do what you have to do. That can only lead to one place - civil disobedience, and if it gets really bad, anarchy.

Expect riots. Expect violent establishment and Police responses. Look out for "no go" areas. Expect further erosion of the rule of law, drastic cuts into civil liberty, and ever worsening restrictions of freedom of expression.

Some may think I'm over reacting. Well, leaving aside the fact that I've been right about this in everything I've said over the past few years, just look at the way the situation has worsened over the past 5 years.

And be very, very concerned...

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Barclay
 

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It's clear that the Govt is totally dedicated to serving its own ends, not those of the electorate, who's will and needs it utterly ignores. No need to mention the protests against the invasion of Iraq which came to nothing. Any government which feels secure enough to ignore such huge mass protests is clearly no longer accountable to the people it purports to govern.

The more people give up voting, the more secure their position becomes. We're sleepwalking into a totalitarian police state and the biggest worry is that we can see it happening. Still we blunder on...
 

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If you watched any of the Labour Party Conference (shurely shome kind of Trades Descriptions Act flouting there) it was quite obvious that the leadership have no interest whatsoever in anything even the members of their own party have to say... It's their way and that's the only way!
 

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One of the many reasons I'm running off to live in Oz next year, am sick to death of the way this country is going, much as I love so many people and things here, I cant deal with it anymore...like swiming in a hurricane I think...at least in Oz they are few years behind in social tensions, so I can recoup before it all kicks off, and if I'm gonna live in a capitolist world, I might aswell do it with a nice beach to go to

Our country has been and alwayz will be a self-serving capitol machine, well as long as the current situation doesnt change much (not including the riots etc lol)
 

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I absconded and feel a bit guilty tbh. I really felt like my vote was worthless. Quite sad as I was keen to vote when I became eligible and would have been cross at my not voting had you told me when I was 16... I did register a no-vote though so it is still recorded. I honestly feel there was no one to vote for the last time.

Who are The Labour Party these days>?! They have gone further right than con and are going to go further. What a joke.
 

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Im as much a good socialist as the next person - but am a bit perpreplexed as to when or where was a golden age? The last time Labour was in power before this they went running to the IMF cap in hand and policy wise were pretty indistinguishable from Ted Heath's govt. And to say there is more social tension than when Maggie was in power is just wrong...

As for Australia - there may be less social tension if your white - but probably less so if you're any other colour...

Anyway - I'll leave you to your doom monerging...
 

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The big difference between Thatcher's time and now was at least then people had hope. e.g. The poll tax protests achieved results. In addition there appeared to be some choice. These days there appears to be none.

Take hope away from people and you've got a problem.

Also, in the early 70s you had the Labour party working with unions. Now it legislates against them - just as Thatcher did. Heath introduced the 3 day week. I can't begin to imagine a Labour govt. of that era doing the same. In short all sorts of economic and social policies were different. That's hardly the case now.

As for doom mongering... Exactly where do you think I'm wrong?

Hugs,

Barclay
 

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I think things are changing very rapidly in more spheres than anyone realises - not just politics but economics, etc. Largely due to the internet, national borders are becoming irrelvent to trade etc, and therefore governments will go with them... or be reassigned as puppet heads of the military state with the REAL power being in the hands of multi-national conglomerates.

Who really controlled/controls events in Iraq? The people (hah!)? The governments (err...) or Halliburton, arms manufacturers, the new military (privately contracted militia)...

Most trade is electronic and will soon divorce itself from the unstable and risky US dollar, leaving even less for governments to control except their own image of themselves in the eyes of the people, and petty laws more about social control (ie: policing). Subconsciously, people know this and realise there is no point to voting, because THE POLITICIANS ARE NOT IN POWER!

caveat: in the words of the great Manuel, "I know nothing..."
 

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Barclay (Dark Angel) said:
The big difference between Thatcher's time and now was at least then people had hope.


Maybe its all perspective - I've lived in Sheffield for the last 20 years and can assure you that people have lot more hope now than when Thatcher was in power - I know the 80s were different in the south - but it wasnt a pretty picture up in t'north..

But the point I was making is that there has NEVER been golden age and to talk of the horrors of scheming govenments or malevolent merchants (big corporations are the same at the Guilds of the middle ages or the Trading Companies of the 17th & 18th Century) is the same as complaining that it gets bit nippy in winter - its just the way of the world...

There are lot of things I'd like to change about the UK - but in terms of people's overall quality of life - things are arguably better now than at any point in history (other than when we all walked the oak groves with druids & faeries or some other victorian nonsense construct) - and as countries go - its relatively tolerant - so personally I cannot see "The Kids" turning to petrol bombs just yet...
 

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Continuum said:
It's clear that the Govt is totally dedicated to serving its own ends, not those of the electorate, who's will and needs it utterly ignores. ......

I disagree with that, the government is dedicated to serving its funders and the business needs of its more 'establishment' members imho.

As for voting, how the hell does voting for the monster raving looney party help? coz I sure cant put an X on one of the mainstream parties candidates without puking!!!!!
 

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sqoo said:
I disagree with that, the government is dedicated to serving its funders and the business needs of its more 'establishment' members imho.

As for voting, how the hell does voting for the monster raving looney party help? coz I sure cant put an X on one of the mainstream parties candidates without puking!!!!!

How can you make a distinction between 'establishment members' and 'business'. In my experience they're the same people.

Find me an MP who makes bulk of their income from their government post, and not from all kinds of non-executive directorships and 'consultancy' deals.
Betcha can't...
 

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Continuum said:
How can you make a distinction between 'establishment members' and 'business'. In my experience they're the same people.

Find me an MP who makes bulk of their income from their government post, and not from all kinds of non-executive directorships and 'consultancy' deals.
Betcha can't...

Yes, they are as corrupt as anything, oh sorry I forgot, they are part time members and are expected to have buisness interests for the good reason of keeping in touch.

I dont think most of these relationships go beyond a bit of petty profiteering most of the time, the organisations that pull the strings are not so obvious, something I said on another thread the other day comes to mind: If you want to pull the stings of 'democratic' government, the best way to do it is to donate large sums to all parties.

Anyways what I believe has skewed this countries political system more than most things is that we are an occupied country. We have forgotten it, but we are. Those posh names that lord/sir so and so have tend to be Norman (think about it, for example Grosvenor), the invaders came and imposed their political system, we never had a revelution and they are still there to this day!
 

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in a funny sort of way im actually quite pleased with myself in the fact that i do not understand anything in this thread at all...

but i would agree that politics is in crisis and always has been
 
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