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can anyone help me? i seem to have *ahem*misplaced. the sound bank disc that came with my vacuum packed copy of reason2 and so during the installation it is looking for two files it can't find - the sound bank file and the orkestra file.....so when i run reason it asks for the orkestra disk.....anyone? please?
 
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (~ed~ @ Feb 2 2004, 05:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> can anyone help me? i seem to have *ahem*misplaced. the sound bank disc that came with my vacuum packed copy of reason2 and so during the installation it is looking for two files it can't find - the sound bank file and the orkestra file.....so when i run reason it asks for the orkestra disk.....anyone? please? [/quote:61786aeb94]
:lol1: 'misplaced' :rolleyes:

looks like yer fucked then innit?

I don't think its possible to copy the orkester sound bank, although some say they have. Good luck finding it, you might also want to investigate the possibility of modifying the reason.exe so it no longer looks for the soundbank. But you never heard that from me :ph34r:

Or you could buy it - only about 170 notes these days. Hahaha.
 
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin OOOD @ Feb 2 2004, 05:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Copying the sound bank CDs - for backup purposes only - is perfectly possible. Don't copy just the files; you need to do a 1-to-1 disk copy. [/quote:d8f1cf9bd8]
Really? That was the case before Reason2, but after 2.0 I never managed to copy that bloody Orkester CD. What burner software did you use? Nero? Alcohol? Do tell!
 
I've managed to grap the ISO's of all 3 discs from soulseek - haven't got round to checking if they work yet, but if you're desparate, you might want to try it anyway....
 
The Orkester Soundbank CD is required for installation of Reason 2.x

The factory Soundbank.rfl is required for Reason to even run, as part of the .exe is encrypted in the factory soundbank file.

It is "impossible" [or as near as dammit for the purposes of this conversation..] to modify the reason.exe to run without the factory soundbank.

It is possible to download Reason 2.5 and the soundbank files if yu know where to look and have a decent fast connection, but to be honest, with Reason you get so much for so little money, I can't think of a single justification for not buying it.
 
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ott^ @ Feb 2 2004, 10:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> with Reason you get so much for so little money, I can't think of a single justification for not buying it. [/quote:f333fb84d6]
Bloody damn right. How much Reason do you use Ott? Would have had you down as a logic bloke...
 
Every tune on Blumenkraft started out life on Reason. As a songwriting tool it is second to none.

That said, I find it too restrictive and fiddly to be able to complete a tune on [and I don't think the synths are all that...] so it isn't very long before I'm rendering tracks out of Reason and carrying on with them in Logic.

The strength of Reason is that it doesn't use any VST plugins or synths - most crashes on my system are caused by badly written plugins or unforeseen incompatibilities between manufacturers. For this Reason, you can trust it not to do crap things whilst you're trying to write your song.

The weakness of Reason is that it doesn't use any VST plugins or synths.

Etc.
 
There's a couple of threads on Isratrance where that information would cause severe bowel rupture... :lol:
 
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin OOOD @ Feb 3 2004, 12:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> There's a couple of threads on Isratrance where that information would cause severe bowel rupture... :lol: [/quote:56d519f232]
I tend to avoid techie threads on web forums cos they are usually full of nobheads saying things like;

"Well of course, the real pro's and top producers all use Pro-Tools and original MOOG Modular systems - and NS10's are just for seeing how the mix will sound on crappy speakers. Pro studios all use Behringer Truths and Tannoy Reveals."

I've intervened in many ill-informed discussions about how it is impossible to make decent sounding records with software synths, and how Reason is just a toy, but usually just end up calling people wankers and getting stroppy.

A few months ago, I encountered a guy in an IRC channel that I frequent [and i swear this is true..] informing everyone that the album he had just downloaded was a really good demonstration of how hardware synths sound better than software.

Guess which album it was...


Just for info, Blumenkraft is about 98% software.
 
well said that man! (ott, that is) look forward to hearing your set at symbiosis! :D

huw x
 
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ott^ @ Feb 3 2004, 12:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> "Well of course, the real pro's and top producers all use Pro-Tools and original MOOG Modular systems - and NS10's are just for seeing how the mix will sound on crappy speakers. Pro studios all use Behringer Truths and Tannoy Reveals." [/quote:db70f3cd6b]
The sad thing is that because I don't have much experience in the Pro arena, i tend to get sent on my way with a pat on the head - I've got this guy who's awesomely talented, and a good friend of mine, insisting that he's building up towards a new Pro-Tools setup, because he's convinced that the most expensive is always the best, and that 192kHz will provide the sweetest sound - IME it *may*, but simply on a value-for-money basis, it's complete overkill. I tell him all this, but he's still not listening. He says 'If you had the money, you'd buy it' (I bloody wouldn't, I'd wait for a bit and buy an Athlon64 box, 4 Layla24s, or possibly Creamware, legit copies of everything I use, plus maybe an Access Virus and a Nord Modular with the money I'd saved).

This may all be bollocks, but it sounds like sense to me.

J.

P.S. IME the real gearheads eventually come round to respecting software - it's just that there's a barrier of acceptance that they need to get over - they don't want to believe that the £200 CD you just bought has the potential to sound better than the box they just spent a grand on.
 
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JPsychodelicacy @ Feb 3 2004, 09:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> 192kHz will provide the sweetest sound [/quote:b35619cf22]
[RANT] For 25 fucking grand I would hope so, but I'm not entirely convinced that it would be terribly obvious to most people in a blindfold test.

I'll stick to my £500 pc and four crappy 2nd hand soundcards and spend the rest on a Porsche if thats ok...

"they don't want to believe that the £200 CD you just bought has the potential to sound better than the box they just spent a grand on."
Click to expand...

Exactly.

Because, you see, most modern synths are just software anyway. Throw in a £20 DSP and a couple of cheap D-A converters and a bulky plastic case with a nasty LCD display and thats it - a modern synth workstation.

Personally I can't see the point in buying the same mediocre D-A's over and over again, and ending up with loads of generic synths that take up valuable studio space, and require frequent dusting.

As for that old cack about "analogue warmth" - bollocks. My analogues get warm alright - in summer it is unbearable. They drift out of tune, crackle and fart and once you have digitised them [i have a nice Focusrite A-D converter] they sound nearly as good as Steinberg Model E.

Great.

They do make impressive furniture for visitors to go "Oooh! What does that do?" at, but I rarely use them for anything other than nostalgia trips.

In fact, if anyone is in the market for a pile of old synths, PM me. They are just oozing "analogue warmth".


[/RANT]
 
I love reason. I have it on my lappy, so I can noodle about with ideas any time I feel like it. Pretty much everything I've done recently was sketched out in reason, even if I completely reprogram everything in logic afterwards. Not too keen on the Subtractor, but I've got a softspot for the Malstrom...
 
I absolutely adore Reason, but I think it's blinded me a bit to its inadequacies...
I've been making tunes forever, with hardware and cubase, then hardware and logic, then reason came along and I ditched all the hardware and started actually finishing tunes on Reason. For a couple of years, I was like a happy kid playing in an audio sandpit :)
The tunes got to a point where I started sending them out. People started coming back to me saying they dig my tunes but that the mix is a bit iffy. I think I've become so used to Reasons 'flawed' sound that I can't even hear it any more.
As a result I've started using Tracktion and VSTs and we'll see if my mixes perk up. So far the results are very promising but I MISS REASON!

Has anyone had the same problem and what did you do about it?
 
rewired it into logic mate...

what do you think of Tracktion? I thought it was great for a while, but I find it pretty unstable really (on the mac, that is).
 
Well I'm using it on PC and I must say I'm totally impressed - it's never fallen over for me :D but I've heard that the mac version was a bit flaky, but try the latest version, I think Jules has done a lot of stability work recently

I love the workflow and the simplicity of the interface, all my plugins work fine, and the fact that freeze actually works properly is a huge help. The only criticism is that the supplied plugins are a bit crap, so I've added a few new ones (quantum-fx is very cool) and now it's really looking good...
 
yeah reason is cool. it does have that 'toy' tag to it and TBH i wasnt using it for a while because of that...
but hell, theres some great sounds on it, i love the malstrom also.
on isratrance people were slating it (Elisyium Project), saying you could not get a commercial release using it and anyone who used it was a muppet.
for a while i thought this guy was talking sense.....
then i heard his cd.

but there is a kind of sound with softs of any sort, the highs seem very detailed but really compressed compared to VA synths.... this has now really become part of the psy-trance sound.
i love the analogue sound but yes, i feel that you do need to digitise them anyway to meet the standards of todays production requirements.
apparently liam howlett has pretty much written all of his new album on reason, its on the propellorheads website, though he did say he still uses analogue for bass.
 
:blink:

...this is all going right over my head - as a complete beginner whose only music writing experience is with hip hop ejay round amates - god it sounded bad :no: :P

but never mind i have a possible solution - thanks everyone :)
 
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