So, what's changed???

Barclay (Dark Angel)

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Now that the dust from the Election itself has died down, is there anyone here who actually thinks anything has changed?

Or are we in an even bigger mess than we were before last Thursday?

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Barclay
 

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what in tintern abbey are you talking about?
1- lib dems have advanced their share of the house meaning that, after thenext election perhaps, three-party politics in britain becomes a tangible possibility

2 - message sent to blair that he's no longer considered the best man for the job, back benchers prodding him, mean he's more likely to step down and pass the torch to Brown (whose views have always been much more progressive than tony's). Vastly reduced Lab majority means presidential-style Bill-forcing is trickier.

3 - tory party dealt another blow, howard very likely to be ousted, members of shadow cabinet resigning

4 - UKIP vastly down on how they would have scored had the general election been May 2004


not saying this is going to drastically change the world but the demographic of politics in britain is changed, or firmly on the way to changing...not bad for 4 days after an election
 
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1- lib dems have advanced their share of the house meaning that, after thenext election perhaps, three-party politics in britain becomes a tangible possibility
Dream on...

2 - message sent to blair that he's no longer considered the best man for the job,
Despite his reduced majority, he still won. To a man like Blair, that is a ringing endorsement.

mean he's more likely to step down and pass the torch to Brown (whose views have always been much more progressive than tony's).
No. Tony's views were more progressive than Tony's before he got his hands on the keys to Number 10. Remember the feeling in May 1997? We had no idea what a horrid little Tory Tony was back then....


Brown will be to Blair what John Major was to Margaret Thatcher - an undistinguished PM elected to serve out the fag-end of an administratioin which, by the next election, will be well past it's sell-by date.

Brown will oversee the disintegration of the New Labour project, as the lefties in the Labour party decide they've waited long enough for a Socialist agenda to be adopted. They will see Brown as a soft touch [like the Euro-Sceptics saw John Major - remember that fiasco?] and labour party discipline will evaporate. By the next election, new labour will be a chapter in history and old labour will appear as unelectable as they ever did.



Vastly reduced Lab majority means presidential-style Bill-forcing is trickier.
It also makes back-bench rebellion a more attractive proposition. Your next Government will be a Tory Government.

3 - tory party dealt another blow, howard very likely to be ousted,
Pay attention Damo - Howard has already resigned. :Smile3:


4 - UKIP vastly down on how they would have scored had the general election been May 2004
Clutching at straws now mate... UKIP are [and always will be] as relevant to the UK electorate as The People's Democratic Party Of Latvia.

not saying this is going to drastically change the world but the demographic of politics in britain is changed, or firmly on the way to changing...not bad for 4 days after an election
Everything is always changing. That is the nature of a Universe in flux.

Four days after the election and we're already back in our fields - passively eating grass with the rest of the flock.
 

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Blairs reduced majority means that it will be a lot easier for Labour MPs to organise a leadership challenge (they need fewer signatures)

Labour MPs are in a position to be able to halt the plans to bring in ID cards

Going to war with Iran is much less likely

Blair is no longer President of the United Kingdom
 

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Ott^ said:
It also makes back-bench rebellion a more attractive proposition. Your next Government will be a Tory Government.
Over my dead fucking body.

And that's all I have to say about that. :Wink3:

J.
 

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Same shit, different day.

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JPsychodelicacy said:
Over my dead fucking body.

And that's all I have to say about that. :Wink3:

J.
J I think you're making the fundamental mistake of taking any of this seriously :Smile3:

If there was a tory govt would we be able to tell the difference? Somehow I doubt it...
 

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What's changed:
1. It seems to be sunnier.
2. I've got a random date with a bisexual chinese Goth girl this week who'll lapdance for Orange Juice.

Neither of which are necessarily to do with my voting, but just in case I think I'll vote Lib Dem's again next time ...
 

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Ott^ said:
Despite his reduced majority, he still won. To a man like Blair, that is a ringing endorsement.
Which is a crying shame...

The b@stard has already declared quite clearly that he has no intention whatsoever of standing down from the Prime Ministers position before the next election. That some of his ministers and MPs are causing a bit of a stir and trying to force some issues/play the power game is to be expected, but I really don't see him giving up his position without an incredible fight.


*stands around shouting "fight, fight, fight!"*
 

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Barcs, I don't think much has changed from when the Tories were in power, never mind since this latest election.
1- lib dems have advanced their share of the house meaning that, after thenext election perhaps, three-party politics in britain becomes a tangible possibility
Good to see you still have that dry sense of humour, Damion :Smile3:
 

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martin_e said:
What's changed:
1. It seems to be sunnier.
2. I've got a random date with a bisexual chinese Goth girl this week who'll lapdance for Orange Juice.

Neither of which are necessarily to do with my voting, but just in case I think I'll vote Lib Dem's again next time ...

YOU FUCKIN LUCKY BASTARD.................

Fair play..................................


On the subject of politics, there really aint much difference between the lot of them. I am disallusioned generation x.........They're all really wooly i think if the tories got in we wouldn't notice the difference. My bird mate from down the pub works in john presscotts office, she says that the party grapevine is saying that they're gonna get rid of that smarmy looking poodle.
 

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J I think you're making the fundamental mistake of taking any of this seriously :Smile3:

If there was a tory govt would we be able to tell the difference? Somehow I doubt it...
Do you remember the tirade they did against single mothers? Some of the 'Tory boys' in my school took it to heart and made my life utter hell, but it was OK, because it was the official policy of the government.

I will not forget, and I'm fairly sure no Labour government would ever do something so crass.

Forgive me for taking that one issue seriously.

:P

J.
 

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Barclay (Dark Angel) said:
Now that the dust from the Election itself has died down, is there anyone here who actually thinks anything has changed?

Or are we in an even bigger mess than we were before last Thursday?

Hugs,

Barclay

Strange......House prices have come down by 75% (now you get a houseboat thrown in too), Wages in the public sector have also increased, Free electric cars and an acre of land for everyone has pretty much sold it to me...Of course the world poverty and war issues will take a few weeks...but the sky's the limit with these jokers.......wow int democracy good......:Wink3:
 

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And I quote from the Beeb Web Site http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4534889.stm :-

"Prime Minister Tony Blair was given a rousing welcome by his MPs at the first meeting of the Parliamentary Labour Party since the general election.
Mr Blair told the Westminster gathering they would go forward to implement what was the "most detailed manifesto ever".

The prime minister has faced calls to resign from some ex-Cabinet ministers after being re-elected on a Commons majority reduced from 161 to 67.

But Blair loyalists have insisted he will serve a full third term in office."

Seems not a lot has changed then. He's not listening, and I see he's made 2 non MPs ministers as well. So much for the electoral process. Seems to me it's been about as much use as a fart in the wind. Never underestimate Blair's evangelism. The man's got faith, which translated means he's always right, even when he's wrong. Oh, and he always knows best...

One day the British electorate will wake up, but I'm not holding my breath waiting for it.

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My previous reply to this thread was just a joke. That's mainly because I've felt very out of the Election political discussions, for me it was really easy: the party whose opinions closest matched my own were the Liberal Democrats. My MP was/is the hardest working MP in the country, and a Lib Dem. I voted for him, he got in. No heart-searching or complex debates involved.
I'm actually very pleased with the result. The dissent and annoyance of the electorate was shown as far as is possible within the fairly crap electoral system we have.
The end result is a good one. The government can no longer count on unquestioning toeing the line about contentious issues. This government will have a pretty hard time pushing the ID cards through, and would in no way be able to take this country to war in a situation like the last time.
The current "hurrah - we will push the manifesto through" bullishness will collapse really quickly ... at which point it'll take loads of arguing to do anything. Which brings down the amount of dumb laws they can impose...

It's getting there.
 

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End result for me is that I no longer have a labour MP, I've now got a Lib Dem MP instead... :Grin:

I'm hoping that this one will at least be a bit more responsive than the little party apparatchik git that the labour one was.
 
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