Sound Cards

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (nik @ Jan 26 2004, 10:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> yeah i got a usb midisport 2x2, plug an play innit?
hopefully i can use it with xp???? [/quote:59d1d4775a]
I've got a midisport 4x4 - its working fine on XP, no problems to report so far :)
 
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (twistedjc66 @ Jan 26 2004, 11:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ott^ @ Jan 23 2004, 05:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I recently had to mothball [read: "discard"] 2 M-Audio 4x4 midi interfaces [£300 worth...] because M-Audio have decided not to write Win XP drivers for them.

Thanks guys.


:no: [/quote:04f70d1754]
Windows XP causes more problems than it solves. Discuss... [/quote:04f70d1754]
As a rule, if there are no *dedicated* drivers for XP, then (bearing in mind XP is Windows NT5.1) the item will usually work OK with Win2K or NT4 drivers...

There are some provisos....WinXP comes in 2 versions, quite different from each other: The Pro version is very security minded...Some things only work if the user has full admin priviliges on the machine. Home edition is better as all users are automatically admin users...
 
No - the actual problem is that they are parallel port interfaces, and with XP it is [apparently] impossible to use the printer port for midi without huge inherent latency. So - not strictly M-Audio's fault, but galling all the same.

I use a USB Midisport 4x4 now [I say "use" in the loosest sense cos it actually just functions as a place to put my tea mug, since my synths were all outmoded by a load of .dll's...] and its fine.
 
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (twistedjc66 @ Jan 26 2004, 11:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Windows XP causes more problems than it solves. Discuss... [/quote:61ca68e9d0]
No WAY!

Moving from W98SE to XP Pro was the single most important change in PC music I can remember.

These days I get 2 crashes a month [usually triggered by some cack freeware plugin I found on the interweb] instead of 10 bluescreens a day.

Still - Win98 DID teach me the importance of incremental backups...


:wacko:
 
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ott^ @ Jan 26 2004, 09:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> No - the actual problem is that they are parallel port interfaces, and with XP it is [apparently] impossible to use the printer port for midi without huge inherent latency. [/quote:bcd0632f65]
I run XP Pro and use a MOTU Micro Express parallel interface with no problems (at least, since I managed to get my head round the way the drivers work). However I use a separate PCI parallel port card to run the printer, and have the MOTU connected to the built-in parallel port, so maybe that has something to do with it.
 
Actually, thinking about what OTT and Colin have said, it is possible that the bios settings are specifying the wrong parallel port settings.

Most modern printers demand some form of 2-way communication via the parallel port...whereas it is possible that the soundcard will want a different setting...
 
i don't even have a printer. It is only the fact that M-Audio decided not to write XP drivers for their 2x4 interfaces that caused me to have to buy a new one.

I run XP Pro and use a MOTU Micro Express parallel interface with no problems
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would seem to disprove my theory about the parallel port being unsuitable for midi interfaces under XP.

So - it appears that M-Audio just decided to force me into buying a new interface.

Great.

To reiterate my original point - Echo audio are STILL updating drivers for my 7 yr old Gina 20s. THAT is remarkable. Unfortunately, enforced obsolescence is not.
 
I can sympathise mate... I've got a Yamaha DS2416 sound card - had it for years - and it was FUCKING FANTASTIC under VST. However, in their infinite wisdom Steinberg broke the implementation on SX and the card now has useless peak level meters, no automation (!!!!) and won't load settings from VST songs. And now we hear on Cubase.net that they're not planning to fix it AT ALL, supposedly because the card is now obsolete, after all Yamaha stopped writing drivers for it. The thing is, as far as I can tell the drivers are finished - there's nothing wrong with them now there are WDM versions that XP likes. The card is rock solid stable and works like a dream. So why stick with faulty, partial support?!

I can't afford a new card; don't want one either, as I've been in love with my DSP Factory since the day I bought it (yes, I am that sad). The only thing that could replace it is a UAD-1 or a Pulsar; very nice I'm sure but The DS does (or did!) exactly what I need(ed).

Bollocks.

PS. How's your backlog reduction plan going? I'm getting itchy fingers!
 
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin OOOD @ Jan 27 2004, 12:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> So why stick with faulty, partial support?!
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Indeed.

Exactly the reason I wouldn't touch a Steinbug product with an excrement-smeared barge pole.

To be fair to them, trying to keep up with the advances in hardware and software that we've experienced over the last decade must be like trying to nail jelly to the ceiling, but the reason I like Logic is because Emagic never tried. They eschewed the "bells and whistles" approach and just ploughed their own narrow furrow, resulting in a product that just fundamentally works.

PS. How's your backlog reduction plan going? I'm getting itchy fingers!
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Really poorly. I've re-discovered girls.

:wacko:
 
back to the M-Audio thing. Great hardware but APALLING tech/driver support. They're seriously patronising too.

I wan't a MOTU 828 MkII. But the bank manager says I can't have one.
 
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin OOOD @ Jan 27 2004, 12:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> PS. How's your backlog reduction plan going? I'm getting itchy fingers! [/quote:0bf77360cc]
Join the fucking queue! :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Warwick Bassmonkey @ Jan 27 2004, 02:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin OOOD @ Jan 27 2004, 12:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> PS. How's your backlog reduction plan going? I'm getting itchy fingers! [/quote:749fa71693]
Join the fucking queue! :lol: :lol: :lol: [/quote:749fa71693]
You got that fucking Umberloid album written yet?
 
Can agree with you lot, with regards to M Audio Midiman XP driver support.

The Midisport USB drivers aren't digitally signed (i.e. they don't want to pay microsoft £50.000 or whatever it is to have it digitally signed)... my friend loses his driver every time he turns the computer off and has to reinstall on every reboot.... there tech support reply was "uhhh does it, yeah we heard of some other people that had that problem..." but no answers...

and his M Audio 4/4 card, is only a couple of years old, and they don't seem to do any new drivers for XP.
 
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ott^ @ Jan 28 2004, 02:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Warwick Bassmonkey @ Jan 27 2004, 02:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Colin OOOD @ Jan 27 2004, 12:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> PS.  How's your backlog reduction plan going?  I'm getting itchy fingers! [/quote:2dcfca152c]
Join the fucking queue! :lol: :lol: :lol: [/quote:2dcfca152c]
You got that fucking Umberloid album written yet? [/quote:2dcfca152c]
:baa:
 
Yu just need to come up with another 9 Neon Tetra's and we're made mate.

Piece of piss eh?
 
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