The Clash of Civilisations

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Samuel Huntington is a harvard academic. ive had my beady eye on him for a while now. Seeing his term 'the clash of civilisations' all over the media in the wake of the recent muslim riots is notable for many reasons... more so after the attack on the iraq religous shrine.. we are heading for a serious event.
his is the article that you are seeing referenced all over the news at the minute in lieu of the muslim riots. Considering it was written 13 years ago it makes a lot of assumptions that materialised.

The basic flow of the piece is:

Future international conflicts will be a direct result of the cultural, historic, ethnic and religious differences that make civilizations unique. Westerners erroneously assume that other civilizations can and will embrace individualism and democracy, but Confucian, Islamic, Japanese Hindu and other groups do not view the Western outlook as desirable. The differences among civilizations hamper peace efforts and attempts at economic integration


the news media is snapping up this tag now - you see it all over the BBC news reports on the muslim cartoon bollocks. theyre unwittingly pushing the next public fear terminology 'the clash of civilisations' (as 'weapons of mass destruction' has been blown apart)

This is no longer terrorism against the good old noble west, its a war between two ways of life - the west and the rest.

The public are falling for this fast, especially the muslim extremists. This is a much cleverer propaganda deception by the powers that be. They know the war on terror didnt wash with large swathes of the public at all levels. This is a bigger more polished beast that has been germinating all through the 'academic' and high brow literature for decades.

huntington has been saying a war between the west and islam is likely, or between the US and China for 15 years.. However the emphasis here is this is a major strategist talking, like Zibignew Brzezinski and Robert Kagan he is talking in academic speak of a planned future. Take note!

In his early 90's publication 'the third wave' he mouthpieced the then prevalent plan for a new democratised world order to unfold along the peaceful UN and neoliberal paradigm..the EU looked a sure bet for political expansion and deepening, latin america and the east was embracing the west's ideals.....(see also francis fukuyama's 'the end of history and the last man')......BUT then things began to sway...cue his book 5 years later detailing the elites contingency plan of this 'clash' brought into public awareness with 9/11...


The Iran PM (unwittingly or on script - it doesnt matter either way) is playing the role of the new Osama. The 'leader' of the 'other' team. (This 'other' side is referred to as barbarians)

He is saying all the wave making statements - holocaust denial, Israel destruction, referring to Zionism continually, and most importantly he is uniting the 'rest' in anti-american sentiment and proving to be an effective and polarising mouthpiece that inspires muslims everywhere.

Irans defeat is the defeat of the islamic ideology in effect, at least in 'the movie' and a war against Iran is therefore not a war, it is a worldwide crusade that will break out at every corner of the globe as every militarised or oppressed muslim will take up arms in defence of their way of life.

What we are seeing is the realisation of huntingtons book, this is no coincidence or joke.

see this article for more on how this is being set up..

http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,12858,1678220,00.html


http://p4.forumforfree.com/laidbackchat-posting.html?mode=quote&p=3657 http://p4.forumforfree.com/laidbackchat-posting.html?mode=editpost&p=3657 watch this unfold further

Iran has now promised to inflict 'pain' on the US. This is on script. I know not everyone has the patience to wade through the academic jungle..but this has been scripted a long time ago.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4788250.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4784554.stm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,,1703990,00.html

israel now has a pretext to invade palestine with Hamas in power... Us is ready to 'deal' with iran, India and Pakistan are no closer to an agreement over kashmir...

And something thats slipped under the news radar is that the US are pulling troops out of SE asia and japan... this is for redeployment in a coming conflict. I hope everyone understands the implications of these unfolding events.

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Hmm - quick check on Google reveals...

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yup, I don't think we will ever see any posts from iroboy on psychedellic trance, parties or clubs somehow. Does he even know what psychedellic trance actually is?

There is some truth somewhere among your rantings, but they are rantings never the less, why don't you lot ever get the message? yawn!!!
 

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I wish i could cut'n'paste my shopping to my house, or cut'n'paste my brain into work, or cut'n'paste my stinking cold out of my body, or cut'n'paste 10 pints of beer into my body etc. I would never have to move again. So what if I put on weight? Cut'n'paste that off too. Just hope I don't slip with the mouse. Or that undo fails to work...
 
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yes, yes, well done Sherlock :p

it's funny how you can recognise these people just from the style of their writing, you dont even have to read the contents, and they accuse everybody who isnt one of them as being brainwashshed fur gawd sakes

'cut n paste brain' is a good way of putting it really, tho 'piss off' is a better one :Grin:

[btw Ike type peeps, I (and others) even agree with the man on many of the fundemental issues he writes about, but there are som many more sane places to get this info]
 
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personally when it comes to accusations of brainwashing i tend to think it is a case of the kettle trying to unsucessfully call the pot black!

but i dont doubt for a minute that the us adminstration have their tiny minds now focussed on further miliatary excursions elsewhere in the world
 

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cut and paste what? i wrote every word of that. I am a phd academic on politics and i research and write on these issues full time.


just because i am a sometimes poster at the politics and media section of te ickeforum doesnt mean i am some kind of nutter. people over there do not censor any viewpoint no matter how weird or extreme. thats why i go there, its the only non moderated non restricted forum on the net of its size.

you guys are the ones who are paraniod

time to make some decisions, rot your brains getting mashed listening to loud music and taking pills n booze or get motivated to make this wotld we all share better.

this is a politics section of a forum...what else am i going to post here?

if you would unanimously prefer me to leave here then i will, i only attempted to enter into a forum of differnent people in an attempt to help me understand different viewpoints. yes im opinionated, but so are all of you in case you didnt realise it
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iroboy said:
cut and paste what? i wrote every word of that. I am a phd academic on politics and i research and write on these issues full time.


just because i am a sometimes poster at the politics and media section of te ickeforum doesnt mean i am some kind of nutter. people over there do not censor any viewpoint no matter how weird or extreme. thats why i go there, its the only non moderated non restricted forum on the net of its size.

you guys are the ones who are paraniod

time to make some decisions, rot your brains getting mashed listening to loud music and taking pills n booze or get motivated to make this wotld we all share better.

this is a politics section of a forum...what else am i going to post here?

if you would unanimously prefer me to leave here then i will, i only attempted to enter into a forum of differnent people in an attempt to help me understand different viewpoints. yes im opinionated, but so are all of you in case you didnt realise it
:ibiggrin:

This is primarily, a music forum that happens to have a political section. Unfortunately we get a lot of people coming on here just for the political section without any real interaction with the other areas.
 

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iroboy said:
I am a phd academic on politics
Jolly good for you. So what the hell is a clever and serious person doing hanging about with the crackpots on the Icke forum? Could damage your credibility...

iroboy said:
you guys are the ones who are paraniod
No, not paranoid, just fed up with hamfisted troll invasions from the Icke forum.

iroboy said:
time to make some decisions, rot your brains getting mashed listening to loud music and taking pills n booze or get motivated to make this wotld we all share better.
You're coming across as a bit judgemental there. Clearly intentional, what with you having a phd and all.

iroboy said:
if you would unanimously prefer me to leave here then i will
Obviously that's entirely up to you.

iroboy said:
i only attempted to enter into a forum of differnent people in an attempt to help me understand different viewpoints.
I doubt it. I think you're here to lecture us with your enlightened views on some crap or other.

iroboy said:
yes im opinionated, but so are all of you in case you didnt realise it
So far you're sounding like the standard-issue hectoring single issue obsessed troll and have been treated as such.

If you don't lecture and patronise them, I think you'll find people here to be amongst the most open-minded you'll find.
 

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iroboy said:
time to make some decisions, rot your brains getting mashed listening to loud music and taking pills n booze or get motivated to make this wotld we all share better.

1. These are not mutually exclusive activities.

2. Randomly ranting obscure political diatribe does not seem to be the most practical way to "make this wotld (sic) we all share better"... perhaps you might like to look at some of the Volunteering or Protest threads on this forum before assuming us all to be inept at global politics.
 

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iroboy said:
cut and paste what? i wrote every word of that. I am a phd academic on politics and i research and write on these issues full time.

Then I urge you to at least take a GCSE in English Language specialising in grammar - if you can actually use capitalisation correctly it can make you come across as less of a tit.

J.
 

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Dear iroboy,

Do you have any connecion to Psy Trance??? Ever been to a free party? or know anything at all?

if not what the hell are you doing here eh?

ill tell ya - you're here to 'educate' us, only we dont need yet another Ickian to come here to do so, we are only closed to you guys coz you invaded our forum and expected to be welcomed with open arms due to you 'enlightening' us. I think we are pretty enlightened anyways without you help, so stop being so condescending please.

most of us understand a great deal about global politics and there is more than one person around here with post graduate degrees in such subjects (sorry, how did you put it 'phd academic on politics' which sounds sus to me its PhD not phd and you would be a postdoc if you had a PhD or studying for one in politics if not, apologies if English is not your native language).

Of course you are just going to ignore our replies and call us that we are brainwashed, which is why I for one think you are just another troll.
 

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yodhe said:
If this is primarily a music forum (which I have been assured many times it is)
then perhaps it is time to change the sub-banner to something more
appropriate than
"Welcome to the psychedelic underground".
As no offence it is pretty misleading as to what sort of forum it is....

Maybe...
"Welcome to the UK psy-trance underground. Choo Choo."?

This might deter those undesirables you don't want sullying your pages and threads,
with other non-psy-trance issues. :Wink3:

yeah but its only really the David Icke lot who deliberatley come in here to 'educate' us; and its only them who seem unable to properly read the responses they get to their posts and take them to mean that we are under the infulence of the lizzards or other mind control bollocks
 

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iroboy said:
i [sic] only attempted to enter into a forum of differnent [sic] people in an attempt to help me understand different viewpoints.
:ibiggrin:
I'm trying to make this quote correlate with the first post of this thread. If you want to understand other people's viewpoints, you make your own points and then ask what other people think. Being a PhD, I should have thought you would know that, but then again I should have thought that a PhD could spell properly.
 

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english is not my first language, and i am researching for a PhD in international relations, nearly finished it now, i also lecture part time.


you guys have obviously had bad experiences with the ickeforum mob....no surprise there as most of that lot are crazy maddogs, but thats why i rarely frequent there.

I did not know this place was about music, it certainly doesnt appear that way as a poster mentioned... if it is you should kake it clearer.

ok, i probably made a mistake posting here, and if my input is unwelcome ill take it where it is.

no hard feelings
iro
 
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