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sqoo

˙˙˙ƃuoɹʍ ǝuoƃ ǝlʞɔıʇ ɹɯ
I can't belive this, but then again I can, its horrendous if true coz we will no longer be even a sham of a democracy, they are pushing through a bill with a little clause that means ministers can pass legislation without a vote!!!!

Posted from the brilliant Schnews:


YOU'RE HAVING A L.A.R.R-F - Last rites for Parliament under new Bill?

Heard about the Legislative and Regulatory Reform Bill? Tedium personified by the sound of it. In fact concealed under this yawn inducing title is possibly the biggest goosestep towards a totally authoritarian society the Blair oligarchy has yet dared to take.
It's been dubbed the "Abolition of Parliament Act" by radical firebrands The Times.

Since the advent of the (now looking more liberal by the minute) Criminal Justice Act in 1994, SchNEWS has warned about and reported on the constant bombardment of measures clamping down on civil liberties and eroding our previously hard won democratic freedoms. The repressive grip has continued to tighten over the years, with increased surveillance, Anti-Social Behavioural Orders, ID cards, Anti-Terror laws and the Serious and Organised Crime Bill, to name but a few examples. In fact, of the six thousand criminal offences on the books over a thousand were created by Neo-Labour. These laws continue being abused by the powerful to retain control and iron out any irritating resistance to the great corporate sell-out of the last decade. There is one thing, however, that they've all had in common. All such laws have had to be debated in and voted through...by Parliament.

While this bunch of self-interested ideology-swallowing career politicians have done little to oppose the big crackdown, it has at least meant that everything done has remained fairly visible.
Pockets of political opposition have emerged, including some surprising outbursts of sanity from the old loons in the House of Lords and the judiciary. Even some parts of the mainstream media have taken to wondering whether we are getting close to a dictatorship, now that the crackdown has hit Middle England. All this has helped to water down some of the more soviet-like sub-sections of the more totalitarian proposals. Ultimately, we are left with a public record of the law changes which, in theory at least, means that those responsible could be held accountable later.

Overall, none of this was too disastrous for Government Inc.
Enough Whips could be cracked, arms twisted and cosy media relationships fostered to ensure that most of the Magna Carta-pulping stuff could get through unscathed. But as Neo Labour's electoral stranglehold has weakened of late, Tony Blair and the spin-doctors have become increasingly frustrated by pesky opposition MPs throwing spanners in the works. Even worse, he's had to contend with a number of muscle-flexing interventions by the very last people he has ever listened to - backbench Labour MPs who aren't quite as on message as they might be.

This has culminated with a number of irritating Parliamentary revolts such as over the 90 days lock-em-up-for-no-reason provision in the Terror Bill, which was kicked out by MPs a couple of months ago. There are also the ongoing, repeated attempts by the Lords to remove the 'glorification' of 'Terror' offence in the same bill. How aggravating must this be for our would-be Lord Protector Blair and his bunch of merry PR men? These laws don't affect any important demographics! Damn public scrutiny! Damn reasoned political debate and democratic decision-making! But how to get around all these problems? Never fear, political genius Tony is here with the answer: let's do away with democratically agreed laws and instead have some LARRs - Legislative and Regulatory Reforms...

CRACKDOWNER

Launched with little fanfare, amongst concerns about bureaucratic red-tape and the inefficiency of out-dated procedures, the aniseed pip at the heart of the gob stopping bill is this: why not just bring in a law that allows the government to introduce, amend or replace any legislation it likes. This can be done without all that tiresome business of needing Parliament approval. Ministers will be able to create new criminal offences at whim. All manner of focus group orientated idiocy cooked up Neo-Labour up in its laboratory of ideas will find its way to a street near you. That way, ministers can get on with carving up power to suit themselves and their corporate overlords. MPs can then get on with legitimising the regime, opening supermarkets and holding local surgeries back in their constituencies. Brilliant!The fact that Neo Labour may not be in power for eternity shouldn't matter - well, Neo-Labour - Conservatives, not much difference there... and there are a few restrictions to ease the consciences of the all important moneyed classes. Orders won't be used to introduce new taxes, for instance, but most of the limitations on their use are fuzzy and subjective. One of the "safeguards" in the Bill is that an order can impose a 'burden' only 'proportionate to the benefit expected to be gained'. And the judge of whether it is proportionate will be...well, the minister introducing the law of course. Whose benefit is of course carefully left unanswered.

Cambridge Law Professor, John Spensor, has referred to it as the 'abolition of parliament' Bill. This bill can be used to detain people for a couple of years (troublesome activists or Johnny Foreigner perhaps), introduce house arrest, and give the police greater powers of arrest and interrogation. It could also be used to set up new courts, and in effect re-write the rules on immigration, nationality, divorce, inheritance and the appointment of judges - all without any parliamentary scrutiny.

SchNEWS aren't under illusions that parliament ever acted in our interests but we're not ready to see absolute power handed over lock, stock and barrel to the spiders at the centre of this web.
The whole project bears an uncanny resemblance to the Reich's Enabling Act which allowed the Nazis to legally dismantle the constitution of the Weimar Republic. What do they want that is so controversial that they're not even sure if this parliament of placemen and sycophants is going to push it through? This proposition has already begun to cause ripples and it is imperative that it doesn't remain in the shadows but encounters resistance at every turn.

The Bill is online at
www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmbills/111/06111.1-4.h
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grokit23

God mintsmak
Faaaarck! Is possibly the only sane response that I can come up with right now, that's outrageous. :Sad:
 

sqoo

˙˙˙ƃuoɹʍ ǝuoƃ ǝlʞɔıʇ ɹɯ
Yeah, and hardly mentioned anywhere, how can this happen?

Something is very very very wrong in this country.

I knew our democracy was a sham, but still this is effectively removing parliament from the political process altoghter, MPs Lords an all!!!
 

josh

marathon solo-sessionahoy
Why isnt this being more widely reported?

Surely The Guardian and others would have quite a lot to say on this?
 

martin_e

Pantheistic Cyberneticist
Same as usual. Large, rambling bill goes before the Commons containing one obviously very dangerous provision. All eyes on that part. All debate on that part. Lots of shouting, compromising, threatening until a modified version is made which seems acceptable...

Concealing everything ELSE in the bill which warrants discussion or argument!
Manipulation by misdirection... the Lords will never let this bill pass unchanged. But if I had the time or remaining optimism then I'd be looking very carefully to see what ELSE this bill contains.
 

Monkey Do

#1 Internet Toughguy
It's actually fairly short as these things go, the entire bill being pretty much about the dangerous provision that ministers can introduce new laws without safeguards, and then a few token things like "but they can't use it for raising taxes" and "they can't make new criminal offences with > 2 year sentence".
 

martin_e

Pantheistic Cyberneticist
Hmm, sounds like I need to read it through. Will wait until I'm cheery enough to not end up crying or banging my head against a wall ...
 

Goz

Psy-Richard
Staff member
Forum Supporter
Erm ... they'll never get that past the european courts ... totally illegal. That said if we then withdraw from the EU ... reckon most of europe will welcome the refugees with open arms though ...
 
Goz said:
Erm ... they'll never get that past the european courts ... totally illegal. That said if we then withdraw from the EU ... reckon most of europe will welcome the refugees with open arms though ...

EU law gets on to our statute books without having gone near a parliament so why should it bother them? Unless of course they conflict with the integration agenda. Which is unlikely under labour.
 

mmelody

Junior Members
Scary isn't it ? I really dont see this country as going to be a nice place to be in 20 years time, not one I would want to bring upa family in,...but the whole world may be going this way. And do we run ? Or fight? And if the latter how ? Our generation can understand all these things but its seems everyone is asleep, themechanisms of the system have doped everyone into non action. We really are living in an Orwellian state....WE REALLY ARE. Infact once I.D cards are brought in and you cant get a passprt without one we will all lie on a prison island.


Mmelody
 

iroboy

Junior Members
mmelody said:
Scary isn't it ? I really dont see this country as going to be a nice place to be in 20 years time, not one I would want to bring upa family in,...but the whole world may be going this way. And do we run ? Or fight? And if the latter how ? Our generation can understand all these things but its seems everyone is asleep, themechanisms of the system have doped everyone into non action. We really are living in an Orwellian state....WE REALLY ARE. Infact once I.D cards are brought in and you cant get a passprt without one we will all lie on a prison island.


Mmelody

this is completely the case. People seem to think a change of party in an election will change things politically....it wont. WE are living in a semi dictatorship right now, and most people say 'thats rubbish!' but they are living comfortably in the mainstream, not being individual or asking questions...those who do will find their ability to do so diminishing as each day goes by.

Society has a put up with it and shut up approach....pity that that will ensure a return to slavery then for 99% of the population...not slavery thats obvious, but a brave new world kiind of slavery.

WE are in trouble in the UK, but we are not alone. I find it worrying howver that 2 members voicing similar concerns to me on this thread have the word 'banned' under their profile.

Is this a domain in the brave new world of censorship and political correct brainwashing? i hope not
 
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dave arc-i

Guest
iroboy said:
I find it worrying howver that 2 members voicing similar concerns to me on this thread have the word 'banned' under their profile.

Is this a domain in the brave new world of censorship and political correct brainwashing? i hope not

no funnily enough this is a domain that DOESNT support fascism or racism - THAT being the reason the first of those members was banned - they returned to the board after being banned with a new log-in - contrary to the rules of menbership

josh on the other hand is/was an entirley different matter and has nothing to do with politics or the like!!!
spend some time hanging arund the board and you will soon discover why


hope that sets the record straight for you - most fundementalists give themselves away by pedantically posting about a single topic in one particular section - look forward to seeing you joining with the rest of discussions that take place

i must admit a certain amount of surprise that john white moderator of your home board ( http://www.illusionsforum.com/ ) hasn't mentioned to you that he fell foul of the same rules himself - don't you guys talk about anything but lizards?
 

iroboy

Junior Members
the lizard thesis is a tag that is easily applied to ridiclue a body of evidence on that forum consisting of over 25 sections of which it is only one...and a very quiet section it is

I dont believe in lizard shapeshifters, but if i saw one then id change my mind!! many have....thats for them to believe. The idea of illusions is all debate on all issues is welcome...so of course lizards pop up as its a very prominent historical and mythological topic.

What my problem is, is that many people dont think they are brainwashed, but they are. When you choose a false flag like the lizard issue (when i have never talked about it) to denounce a point of view that people have...then you imply fear of that discussion and revert back into your controlled mindset of 'everythings ok'

as bill hicks once said...'everything is ok...go back to sleep america...your government is in control...you are free...free to do as we tell you....'
 
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dave arc-i

Guest
iroboy said:
the lizard thesis is a tag that is easily applied to ridiclue a body of evidence on that forum consisting of over 25 sections of which it is only one...and a very quiet section it is

I dont believe in lizard shapeshifters, but if i saw one then id change my mind!! many have....thats for them to believe. The idea of illusions is all debate on all issues is welcome...so of course lizards pop up as its a very prominent historical and mythological topic.

What my problem is, is that many people dont think they are brainwashed, but they are. When you choose a false flag like the lizard issue (when i have never talked about it) to denounce a point of view that people have...then you imply fear of that discussion and revert back into your controlled mindset of 'everythings ok'

as bill hicks once said...'everything is ok...go back to sleep america...your government is in control...you are free...free to do as we tell you....'

is that a problem of ego to suggest you know the working of the minds of *many* people?

if you could quote where i have suggested *you* personally had talked about it then i would be grateful - mine was more of a question about whether you guys talked about anything else on your home board !

meanwhile i can assure you that i am probably the unlikelist candidate you will come across that could be considered brainwashed - my what a cracker of a joke - and funnily enough just for the record i dont recall a time when i did think "everythings ok" - so looks like you proved yourself wrong there :iwink:
 

iroboy

Junior Members
excuse my frustration! understandable as many people mention lizards in the way you did to discredit certain trins of thought that have nothing to do with frigging lizards.

im glad you see things in the way you described..thats why i came on here to find people who were curious about things and discuss it.

drop in to illusions and you might be surprised:icool:
 
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