Which keys are best for trance?

Crispy Mar 20, 2004

  1. Crispy

    Crispy Fried for too long

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    i was just reading an interview with rinkadink and he mentioned one of the most important things someone showed him was which key to write tunes in. However, there was no mention of which keys they were.
    Ive noticed this is definately a problem as some of my tunes just dont blend nicely (owing to the key change) with others.
    so anyone care to enlighten me on the correct notes to start writing me bass lines in! :hehe:

    cheers
    chris

    :Grin:
     
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    Find a Rinkadink track and write your basslne in the same key...
     
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    cHoppAz top trance keys

    class A's
    C (hang)
    E's
    D flat (pressed)
    K et-minor

    i don't like G,H & B though :P
     
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    Come over here at my place next weekend chris and I'll show you....
    I know 3 keys used in trance.... there is probably more but I just know these ones and they work very good actually :rolleyes:

    :shrooms:
     
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    </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Leptit @ Mar 21 2004, 01:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
    I know 3 keys used in trance.... there is probably more [/quote:fd8fa587b1]

    erm.... 9 more to be precise :blink:
     
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    any chance to the link of the dink interview please chris?
     
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    but seriously.... i never really pay much attention to what key i'm in... not in any prescriptive way. i couldnt tell u without going back and checking what key my tunes are all in and hence which i've used most

    all i would say is that the most important factor when choosing is your bass as the key is going to dictate the bottom fundamental and some hit a deeper spot than others... then others go too deep and tend to get woolly. A is 55hz thats all i can ever remember (cos central A is 440, so its 220 -> 110 -> 55).... so G is probably somewhere around 45 and C is somehwere around 65 ... erm... guessing

    there are note to freq converters out there if you want :Smile3:
     
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    you can't work it like that.

    As tempo and speed are always linked, then whatever key you are in will change if you need to change the speed of the track when beatmatching it.

    Not all tracks go with other tracks, and half the fun of being a DJ to me is figuring out what does and what doesn't.

    If all tracks were only written in a few keys, imagine how boring it would get!

    Don't get me started on Modes!
     
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    I'm touching myself as I write this post.
    You're correct but it takes a pretty hefty nudge of the pitch slider to actually change the key. Approx. 6% +/- will put a track the next/preceding key. Therefore +/- 3% can be enough to put it "out" but most of the time you ca nget way with it.

    Onto the original question, Rinkadink seems to hang around keys Em and F#m (classic heavy metal styley then) - although I've got my key information from software (with a known accuracy limitation) and my limited Rinkadink collection and my ear isn't good enough to verify this info.
     
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    A lot of Goa tracks use (unsurprisingly) Indian rags (modes).
    Theres a load of info on the internet about this type of stuff if you're interested in it.
     
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    approx. 12 cents to 1 bpm...

    useful if you are ever working on a mix in an audio sequencer!

    So say you had two tracks in the same key, one at 135, and one at 145 and were beatmatching them at around 140 bpm...

    :no: :no: :no:

    Ugly mess, and a quite conceivable scenario.
     
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    that is one of the nice thing about Traktor DJ, it is possible to change pitch without changing tempo



    "it is in D minor, which I think is the sadest key" - Nigel Tuffnel, Spinal Tap
     
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    "How 'bout we sing 'Kyle's Mom Is A Stupid Bitch - in D minor?'" :lol:

    I have to say that I've never heard of specific keys you *have* to write in in order to make trance work well, but then I'm not very experienced.

    I know a *bogload* of tunes are in E, simply 'cos I used to use my guitar to figure out progressions in the early days. I've actually tried to make each new track I kick off be in a different key from the previous one - this may be a bad idea, but I just wanted to try it out.

    J.
     
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    </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JPsychodelicacy @ Mar 21 2004, 10:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I've actually tried to make each new track I kick off be in a different key from the previous one - this may be a bad idea, but I just wanted to try it out.

    J. [/quote:f9aa77776f]
    :dito:

    To empty-1:

    I've yet to hear a method of independent timestretching and pitchshifting which doesn't leave artefacts. Which is no good when you are mixing! Then again, I've never heard Traktor DJ do this, so it might be amazing. I just know, that in general, they are guff.
     
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    </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (eMpTy-1 @ Mar 21 2004, 10:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> "it is in D minor, which I think is the sadest key" - Nigel Tuffnel, Spinal Tap [/quote:4dac4acfa2]
    Lick My Love Pump by any chance? :lol:


    Traktor DJ is amazing.
     
  16. steve.for

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    Hi,

    i've discovered over sixty different tones/keys in psy trance with some being extremely popular and over used like the key that alien p Genetic eyes is in for example. Others are hardly used. They also go full circle, ie .
    if you start at a key, by the time you get to the last one you'll be back to the fist key(using the beatmix/pitch slider thing)

    personally I like producers that experiment with different keys and djs that can mix both in key and also out of key but ones that go if you now what I mean..
     
  17. goa_kev

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    </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Speakafreaka @ Mar 21 2004, 08:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> So say you had two tracks in the same key, one at 135, and one at 145 and were beatmatching them at around 140 bpm...
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    Ya shouldnt really be mixing a 135 tune with a 145 tune anyway! :P

    *Kev being pedantic!* :lol:
     
  18. Speakafreaka

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    </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (goa_kev @ Mar 26 2004, 06:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Ya shouldnt really be mixing a 135 tune with a 145 tune anyway! :P

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    oh?

    why is that? If it works, it works and fuck it! :Wink3: :Wink3: :Wink3:

    Some people would argue this is disrespectful to producers. :unsure:

    If they are anything like me, sometimes they will change the pitch and speed of a track after they have finsihed producing it. Who knows? Perhaps they were wrong, and it was better the original way?
    :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:

    but i understand what you mean. Double dragon into absolom probably isn't a good idea :Wink3:
     
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    i've never used keys..out of stubbornness mostly, and wanting my tunes to sound 'wrong'


    whats i cnat understand is how you can get many fucked up detuned resonant noises and say 'yeha this is a c'

    :eh:
     
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    Puts you at an advantage in the originality stakes, bud.

    I can't not think in keys... :unsure:

    J.
     
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