U.S Oil leak

JP said:
This thread has had less views than the venom party thread had replies in 3 months..

Just goes to show that peeps who frequent these boards care more about where the next party will come from, than the life forms in our oceans...

Now this I find sad :Sad:
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^this!
 
I've come across loads of news items recently that I've thought of posting up here but decided not to in the end. I just find myself thinking now that those who care will already have seen them, and those who don't aren't interested anyway.

Present company excepted, I increasingly know more like-minded people outside of these boards and this 'scene' than within it. And a lot of the real quality people who used to come here don't as much any more, and good on them I say, there's a lot more to life.
 
Please dont think I'm being critical towards anyone who has contributed already to this thread and I'm truely grateful to both Dave and yourself amongst others who have taken time to research and post material.

I'm just saddened by the fact that so many so called tree huggers, hippies, call them what you will, show more interest in partying than the future of our planet...

But then again it is only a music forum.
 
JP said:
Please dont think I'm being critical towards anyone who has contributed already to this thread and I'm truely grateful to both Dave and yourself amongst others who have taken time to research and post material.

I'm just saddened by the fact that so many so called tree huggers, hippies, call them what you will, show more interest in partying than the future of our planet...

But then again it is only a music forum.
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No I didn't think you were being critical at all, and I totally share your sentiment JP.

But it isn't just a music forum, if you look at all the sections it is designed for a community of people who think deeply about the world in many different ways.

I suppose it's a bit ironic that most of the hippies and tree-huggers I know aren't into psy trance at all, they are into live music in the main. This scene tends to appeal to people who like to get off their tits.

There will always be those precious people for whom the psychedelic experience is about the pursuit of the truth and a clear eye. But sadly I think that those people are in the minority, and many of them don't actually feel the need to take drugs any more to get that clear vision, and so are not so bothered about finding an environment in which to take drugs. They are more interested in taking action these days :Wink3:
 
Genghis Khant on 8th May said:
Im quite inclined to suppose there is more to this than currently meets the eye.
Which is more than I ever was about the wilder theories around 9/11.
Seems like a novel enough way to asset strip BP though!
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Two and a half months ago I suggested the above

BP agrees $7bn (£4.6bn) asset sale to fund oil clean-up
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-10703955

The oil giant said it had reached a $7bn (£4.6bn) deal with US-based oil production firm Apache Corp.
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http://m.guardian.co.uk/?id=102202&...2010/jul/21/china-oil-spill-disaster-wildlife

Oil from Dalian pipeline explosion threatens marine animals, sea birds and water quality as slick spreads to 430km sq

Chinese officials have warned of a severe threat to wildlife from one of the country's worst reported oil spills as an army of volunteers was dispatched to beaches to try to head off the black tides.
At least one man has drowned in crude during the clean-up operation, which has expanded as the area of the slick has doubled in size despite earlier government assurances that it was being contained and posed no risk to ecologically sensitive areas.
Five days after a pipeline explosion at the north-east port of Dalian, oil had reportedly spread over an area of 430 square kilometres, prompting a dispersal mission along the coast.
Hundreds of local volunteers are spreading absorbent matting along the Yellow Sea shoreline in an attempt to stop the slick from damaging beaches.
Out at sea, authorities have started to use oil-consuming bacteria to try to disperse the slick, along with chemical agents and lengthy floating barrages.
Even though maritime officials have mobilised 800 fishing boats to assist the 40 specialist vessels in the operation, the winds and tides are spreading the slick wider and thinner.
The difficult conditions have proved fatal for at least one man. A 25-year-old firefighter, Zhang Liang, drowned on Tuesday when a wave threw him from a vessel, according to the state news agency Xinhua.
In some areas, volunteers equipped only with rubber gloves, rubber boots and rudimentary tools have struggled to cope with the waves washing up on the beaches.
"I've been to a few bays today and discovered they were almost entirely covered with dark oil," Zhong Yu of the environmental group Greenpeace China, told the Associated Press. "The oil is half-solid and half-liquid and is as sticky as asphalt."
Fishing in the waters around Dalian has been banned until the end of August.
"The oil spill will pose a severe threat to marine animals and water quality, and sea birds," Huang Yong, deputy bureau chief for the city's Maritime Safety Administration, told a regional TV station.
The authorities say the leak was staunched within 24 hours of last Friday's accident, but they have yet to reveal how much oil was discharged before then. The state-run China Central television channel estimates the spill at 1,500 tons, less than 0.5% of the amount released into the ocean by the BP spill in the Gulf of Mexico.
Local officials have been upbeat about the prospects of a quick clean-up and a resumption of normal services at the port, which has had to redirect 420 vessels from the area of the slick.
"Our priority is to collect the spilled oil within five days to reduce the possibility of contaminating international waters," Dalian's vice mayor, Dai Yulin, told reporters earlier this week. Other officials expect the operation to last twice as long and even then it is far from clear that the ecological damage will end.
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Yeah saw that on the news during the early hrs Dave.. do you think they asset strip so's that there is still cash at hand for dividens ???

@ Andy, was suprised the info ever got out of China :Wink3:
 
Hmmm debatable - BP should by rights be fairly cash rich which makes me wonder why they arent diverting profit income from production and sales of oil and refined products into the USD 20 billion fund. As long as there is enough cash flow to cover the outgoings then to me sat here it would tend to make more sense than deplete those assets.
The company in the circumstances could probably make a good argument for withholding dividends for the rest of the year but whether the shareholders would stand for that is another matter, then again the company is only worth half its value from the 19th April so they might not be so inclined to dump those holdings if the dividends are withheld in the short term. Personally I think they should not be paid as the shareholders should bear the cost of this cock-up as they would be quick enough to take the profit if the company hadnt screwed up.
Bookies stopped taking bets on Tony Hayward going before the end of the year a week or two ago due to the amounts and way bets were being placed then today it is being reported he will be gone by October. That is telling in its own way as it implies people somewhere have this all plotted out way in advance but there we go verging on conspiracy theory again.
 
Anybody (if they were a foil wearing paranoid) might think this is being orchestrated

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-10434908

BP chief executive Tony Hayward is to leave the firm in October after sustained criticism of his handling of the Gulf of Mexico oil leak.

However, he is set to be nominated for a non-executive position on the board of the firm's Russian joint venture with TNK, a BP source said.

No details of his financial pay-off have yet been announced.

Mr Hayward is expected to be replaced by American colleague Bob Dudley, who is in charge of the clean-up operation.
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His replacement is an american... which then makes the company acceptable to the average american I'd imagine. Just another clever marketing stunt imo.
 
It is that, but I have a sneaky feeling that there is more to this.
The media who reported this weeks ago and insiders who are willing to go to the bookies to place bets are remarkably well informed to the decisions of the BP board of directors and before the board make them.
Makes you think. Doesnt it?
 
Tony's handshake is a £600,000 per yr pension.. if my math is correct thats £12,500 per week !!!

Very nice.
 
Genghis Khant said:
Two and a half months ago I suggested the above



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-10703955
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Musing over all of this, I find myself coming around to your conspiracy theory Dave . . .

For years now the oil majors have been down a blind alley, the Iraq invasion was their last chance to get their hands on any decent new reserves.

The only other way for an oil company to expand is via takeover. But what if someone begrudges having to pay full whack for someone else's assets?

It was Halliburton who fucked up the cement which caused the blowout, whilst coincidentally Transocean had turned off the warning systems on the rig.

Yep - all the hallmarks of Al-Qaeda, no mistake.
 
solar bud said:
Musing over all of this, I find myself coming around to your conspiracy theory Dave . . .

But what if someone begrudges having to pay full whack for someone else's assets?
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What if your Military Industrial complex decides they would be better off paying themselves (think Victor Kiam "I liked it so much I bought the company") for a substantial part of their fuel costs? Without fuel a modern army goes nowhere and does nothing.

http://www.pacificfreepress.com/news/1/6424-bp-and-the-pentagons-dirty-little-secret.html

As an institution, the Pentagon runs on oil. Its jet fighters, bombers, tanks, Humvees, and other vehicles burn 75% of the fuel used by the Department of Defense. For example, B-52 bombers consume 47,000 gallons per mission, and when an F-16 fighter kicks in its afterburners, it burns through $300 worth of fuel a minute. In fact, according to an article in the April 2010 issue of Energy Source, the official newsletter of the Pentagon’s fuel-buying component, the DoD purchases three billion gallons of jet fuel per year.

Thanks to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the Department of Defense has been consuming vast quantities of fuel. According to 2008 figures, for example, U.S. military bases in Iraq and Afghanistan used a staggering 90 million gallons per month. Given the base-building boom that preceded President Obama’s Afghan surge, the 2010 figures may be significantly higher.

In 2009, according to the Pentagon’s Defense Energy Support Center (DESC), the military spent $3.8 billion for 31.3 million barrels -- around 1.3 billion gallons -- of oil consumed at posts, camps, and bases overseas. Moreover, DESC’s bulk-fuels division, which purchases jet fuel and naval diesel fuel among other petroleum products, awarded $2.2 billion in contracts to support operations in Iraq and Afghanistan last year. Another $974 million was reportedly spent by the ground-fuels division, which awards contracts for diesel fuel, gasoline, and heating oil for ground operations, just for the war in Afghanistan in 2009.

The Pentagon’s foreign wars have left it particularly heavily dependent on oil services, energy, and petroleum companies. An analysis published at Foreign Policy in Focus found that, in 2005, 145 such companies had contracts with the Pentagon. That year, the Department of Defense paid out more than $1.5 billion to BP alone and a total of $8 billion taxpayer dollars, in total, to energy-related firms on what is a far-from-complete list of companies.

In 2009, according to the Defense Energy Support Center, the military awarded $22.5 billion in energy contracts. More than $16 billion of that went to purchasing bulk fuel. Some 10 top petroleum suppliers got the lion’s share, more than $11.5 billion, among them big names like Shell, Exxon Mobil and Valero. The largest contractor, however, was BP, which received more than $2.2 billion -- almost 12% of all petroleum-contract dollars awarded by the Pentagon for the year.
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JP said:
This thread has had less views than the venom party thread had replies in 3 months..

Just goes to show that peeps who frequent these boards care more about where the next party will come from, than the life forms in our oceans...

Now this I find sad :Sad:
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i think this kind of attitude to board users is a bit unfair, JP.

I read and hear the latest opinions and reports on this disaster from multiple sources on a daily basis. The whole situation angers me hugely, as it would any semi-compassionate human who has more than 2 braincells to rub together.

the thing people have to remember is that this is not most people first, second, third, fourth, or even fifth port of call when it comes sources for general news and current affairs, however, it is a lot of people's first port of call when it come to information about the UK psytrance scene. therefore, in my book anyway, its entirely natural that the venom threads have more hits than this.

any regular visitor to this forum will know its just going to be a bunch of like-minded people complaining about the evils of big business and capitalist government and worrying for the future of our planet. which is all very worthy, but ultimately pointless, and also its not really the catalyst for a particularly enthralling read or debate.

another thing is that this forum doesn't really foster the right environment for good debating any more, especially when it comes to the more serious issues and i think that's another reason people don't get involved here as much as they used to. that is certainly true of me, and a fair few others i know of as well.
 
JP said:
I'm just saddened by the fact that so many so called tree huggers, hippies, call them what you will, show more interest in partying than the future of our planet...

But then again it is only a music forum.
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Personally I wouldn't tar everyone with the same brush. Just because people haven't viewed or commented on this particular thread doesn't mean they don't give a shit about our future, and the future of our planet.
 
lurk said:
i think this kind of attitude to board users is a bit unfair, JP.

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As I said in that post, I appreciate this is a music forum so I'm not really suprised at the numbers. But I dont think its unfair more just a statement of fact..

Threads that have had nothing to do with music... say like the one about Dave being banned and the mods getting sacked still attracted more interest than this environmental disaster thread, to me that would indicate that peeps are happy to see persons having a set too and jump in with their tuppence worth than read about a few dolphins getting their blow holes filled with oil..... present company accepted of course.

All the worlds a stage Tom and sometimes pie can be just like any other soap :Wink3:


@DB

How would they know what the thread contained if they never viewed it in the first instance.. the statement was more to do with the views than the replies.
 
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