The next step for psytrance...

Fair point, I agree that taste is subjective and we're all in disagreement on what exactly was the best music the scene has produced. I think a lot of us would agree though that the music that got us into it in the first place sounded a lot more like, erm, music! The production has come on leaps and bounds, but where's the substance? My friend suggested the other day that it may be a result of us all being so connected, and being able to take influence from so many different places and cultures, easily downloading music from all over the world via the internet. This overload of influences may have diluted the music being produced, creating a bland amalgamation lacking definitive style and direction. I hope he's wrong because this connection and communication between people worldwide is at the very heart of the ethos of the scene, if it is indeed killing the music it could well be the curtain for psy-trance! It's probably just nonsense though, we ramble a lot about this kind of shit!

To be honest I don't really like much Goa other than the old classics, and I can't name one Forest artist who's really done it for me. It looks like I may well be out of a job if your prediction is correct :S
If it does all go back to Goa and that influences Posford to come back and write another Hallucinogen album that would probably keep me interest though.
 
felix said:
I think a lot of us would agree though that the music that got us into it in the first place sounded a lot more like, erm, music! The production has come on leaps and bounds, but where's the substance?
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I nearly wrote "a return to good tunes" as my first post in this thread, but I thought I'd probably get strung up for it.

Production values of course, but there must be so much that has been left unexplored in the way of actual musical content.
 
felix said:
My friend suggested the other day that it may be a result of us all being so connected, and being able to take influence from so many different places and cultures, easily downloading music from all over the world via the internet. This overload of influences may have diluted the music being produced, creating a bland amalgamation lacking definitive style and direction. I hope he's wrong
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Yep he's wrong. Aaaand relax. I don't think we can view music as paint where all the colours put together just make a dull uninteresting brown. Music thrives on influence and becomes more vibrant like a language. Music with no influences stagnates and looses all but a retrospective appeal.
 
psyfi said:
Yep he's wrong. Aaaand relax. I don't think we can view music as paint where all the colours put together just make a dull uninteresting brown. Music thrives on influence and becomes more vibrant like a language. Music with no influences stagnates and looses all but a retrospective appeal.
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+1 :)
 
Ahhhhh no, I wouldn't say you'll be out of a job, just have to write an album that proves the sound you love isn't dead.

If its really genuinely good, I'm sure that people will still be interested even if it isn't an in vogue genre.

Personally I don't think the substance has been lost directly because of interconnectedness as such, but more because so very many people are choosing to write. It seems that every little niche and all the inbetween points has someone writing music. 15 years back, there were a lot less releases, and it was much easier to pick out individual artists (IMO).

After goa had pretty much died, and before full on became the de facto, there was a period of a few years where things were very very experimental (in fact I think forest has pretty much grown out of that era) - but, if its anything like last time, people burn out on dark and intense music quite quickly - ultimately it all leads to very sketchy behaviour!

In short, I wouldn't give up just yet, I'm sure that something far more overtly tuneful and less fucked up than forest/dark/night and more forward looking than Goa will be along shortly! Personally I'm well into my forest atm, but I can see that this is not for everyone by any stretch of the imagination - its very far removed from the sort of sounds that some people will have gotten into the scene because of, and fair enough!
 
Tech trance...

or some guy with dreads humping a memory.

Really I'm just in favour of more interesting basslines. Would be nice to hear a mix that got me into another groove once in a while.
 
the_psychologist said:
I live in the east coast USA now, and it seems like Psy has been dead for a few years. I still look at reviews here, over at Isratrance, and on a couple other sites, and there seems to be very little of note. Prog artists have all tried to cash in on either Electro, House, or Techno, Full-On ran out of ideas years ago, Goa is classic and should stay that way, "Dark" is self-limiting and annoying, etc... Even Twisted seems to have lost the passion for releasing top-quality music. So I guess my point is that Psy seems to have no direction right now. I have so much good music already that I'm not even concerned with new releases... It's all new to most crowds around these parts...
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Interesting view point
 
Aus, New Zealand and Tazmania are good for the best prog.. (Check out new name Pspiralife who will have an album out on Zenon in a few months.. - totally mint). it seems, the Uk is where a lot of countries are looking for fresh night time psy. Psytrance isnt dead, i and many people i know still love it more than a morning cuppa. If less people like something cause they jumped on the bandwagon, and then fell off again when they found something else, thats not the same as something dying. Theres always new people coming into the scene, and im still hearing fresh sounds and ideas from all over the world :)

But yeah, i wish if people didnt like it they would stop complaining and listen to what they do like! :p
 
some more trance in psytrance would be good to explore again, and more progressive grooves and basslines for me :)

as for psy nights, I enjoy my psytrance, but I personally find the music in the 2nd room at most places really doesn't do it for me, whereas is used to be part of the experience. To me, the 2nd room doesn't feel like it's part of the immersive psy environment any more. I started going to psy nights as I liked the flow from one room to the next - maybe that's what people want these days, maybe that's just what you get. Who knows, but I would like something 'psychedelic' in the second room as well please. I like psychedelics so I'd like the next room to complement the main room. If not, at least have somewhere relatively comfortable with some downtempo, psychill, dub or ambient, for some chill out space, it's good to have down time and space to chat at a party as well as a banging main room. There's a whole world of psychedelic music that get left out at parties now ;) sitting on an old carpet, freezing on the tarmac outside just doesn't have the same appeal as a chill out room, whether people can smoke indoors or not, it's a bit harsh tbh so that more than anything I would like to see a change.
 
badger said:
as for psy nights, I enjoy my psytrance, but I personally find the music in the 2nd room at most places really doesn't do it for me, whereas is used to be part of the experience. To me, the 2nd room doesn't feel like it's part of the immersive psy environment any more.
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You're not the only one...! Some of the 'psychedelic' groove has definitely gone from the 2nd room these days...replaced by minimal and breaks and so on, which is not really to my taste...
 
the breaks in the second room is what got me into psy nights then trance, and the psybreaks scene is booooooooming! wouldnt have it any other way!
 
badger said:
some more trance in psytrance would be good to explore again, and more progressive grooves and basslines for me :)

as for psy nights, I enjoy my psytrance, but I personally find the music in the 2nd room at most places really doesn't do it for me, whereas is used to be part of the experience. To me, the 2nd room doesn't feel like it's part of the immersive psy environment any more. I started going to psy nights as I liked the flow from one room to the next - maybe that's what people want these days, maybe that's just what you get. Who knows, but I would like something 'psychedelic' in the second room as well please. I like psychedelics so I'd like the next room to complement the main room. If not, at least have somewhere relatively comfortable with some downtempo, psychill, dub or ambient, for some chill out space, it's good to have down time and space to chat at a party as well as a banging main room. There's a whole world of psychedelic music that get left out at parties now ;) sitting on an old carpet, freezing on the tarmac outside just doesn't have the same appeal as a chill out room, whether people can smoke indoors or not, it's a bit harsh tbh so that more than anything I would like to see a change.
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I agree with you fully about the chillout space. I hardly talk to people at parties anymore because I can't be arsed either freezing on wet tarmac or screaming into people's ears/ getting screamed at and covered in phlegm.
 
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